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impalaboy9 · 11-20-2010, 09:04 AM

Alright guys I'm rebuilding a 65 stepside swb. As far as I know they are 12 bolt rear ends and mine appears to be that. I have an open carrier and I wanted posi since the winters in Nebraska can get nasty. 4x4 planned for later. Anyway I ordered the richmond Lockright system since money is sort of an issue. Jegs only had one listing for a 65 and it didn't offer an axle spline count so I assumed there was only one spline option (should have known better) I pulled my axles and they are 17 spline and the richmond setup is for 28 or 30(just guessing havent counted yet) Is my truck a freak or am I going to have to order new axles? Thanks for any help. I would also like to hear from anyone who has used this setup. Thanks.

SCOTI · 11-20-2010, 09:35 AM

I think 65 is when the 'switch' occurred from 17-spline to 30-spline. You'll need to look for axles from a 66-69 for 6-lug/same length or purchase new aftermarket units.

TheDark1 · 11-20-2010, 09:59 AM

I got my Eaton posi and axles from Randy's Ring and Pinion. The price was good as is the quality. I believe I have 30 or 32 spline now. He should be able to get you hooked up for a decent price, if you can't find any used ones.--Jeff

impalaboy9 · 11-20-2010, 11:13 AM

No one would happen to have a set of free used ones ????

Thanks for the help guys I appreciate it. Any one used the lockright on here?

impalaboy9 · 11-20-2010, 11:28 AM

No disrespect SCOTI but are you pretty sure on the years for the switch? I just ran out to my parts truck ran the VIN and its a 66, I just don't want to tear it apart to find out I was wrong, I'm running out of room in my shop. Thanks

Rich 5150 69 · 11-20-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by impalaboy9

No disrespect SCOTI but are you pretty sure on the years for the switch? I just ran out to my parts truck ran the VIN and its a 66, I just don't want to tear it apart to find out I was wrong, I'm running out of room in my shop. Thanks

for your own best interest I would pull them to id what I actually had, who knows if the axle had been swapped out at one time in its life.

**aerotruk63** · 11-20-2010, 02:41 PM

Link to similar thread. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=423085

According to Hollander Interchange the change occurred from 17 spline to 30 spline in 1965.
1963 & 64 shared the same 17 spline,30 1/4" axles, GM part #3819048 L or R.
1965 to 69 C10 12 bolt along with a few P10, Carryall and Suburban shared the same axles, 30 spline, 30 1/4" long, GM part # 3893605 L or R .

No expert, just saying what's in the book!

impalaboy9 · 11-20-2010, 04:17 PM

Ok SCOTI was right all my 66 has the 30 spline axles..... now the bad news. The bolt that holds the big pin in that keeps the spider gears together is broken in 3 pieces and I can only get two out. I was told that the pin is brittle and a cold chissel and a swing for the fences would break it so far my arm and the 2lb hammer are out of gas, I have broke 2 cold chisels and my air hammer made no dent either. Does anyone have experience in these matters?

SCOTI · 11-20-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by impalaboy9

Ok SCOTI was right all my 66 has the 30 spline axles..... now the bad news. The bolt that holds the big pin in that keeps the spider gears together is broken in 3 pieces and I can only get two out. I was told that the pin is brittle and a cold chissel and a swing for the fences would break it so far my arm and the 2lb hammer are out of gas, I have broke 2 cold chisels and my air hammer made no dent either. Does anyone have experience in these matters?

I doubt you can 'break' the pin that holds the spider gears w/just a hammer/ chisel. You need to try & get the end of that bolt out as it seats in the pin.

**Captainfab** · 11-21-2010, 12:41 AM

Whoever told you that pin would break must have been smoking something.

Now that you've likely damaged the surface of the pin, trying to break it, you'll probably not be able to slide it out even if you do get the rest of the retaining bolt out. At this point you might just have to cut the pin out between the spider gears with either a torch or a plasma cutter. But of course, you'll have to be extremely careful not to damage the ends of those axles.

impalaboy9 · 11-22-2010, 09:58 PM

You were all correct. That pin is the toughest mother I have ever ran into on any automotive project and I've rebuilt a few. Normally I just swap the entire rear end and never dig into one. I did finally manage to break the pin and remove my axles. Now I'm finally ready to install the Lock-right. Thanks for all the help.

raycow · 11-23-2010, 07:46 PM

It's a little late now, but we just went through this same problem in another thread. Anyone else who runs into it might like to know that there is a less destructive fix available.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=432175

Ray

11-20-2010, 09:04 AM	#1
impalaboy9 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: lincoln ne Posts: 57	axles??? Alright guys I'm rebuilding a 65 stepside swb. As far as I know they are 12 bolt rear ends and mine appears to be that. I have an open carrier and I wanted posi since the winters in Nebraska can get nasty. 4x4 planned for later. Anyway I ordered the richmond Lockright system since money is sort of an issue. Jegs only had one listing for a 65 and it didn't offer an axle spline count so I assumed there was only one spline option (should have known better) I pulled my axles and they are 17 spline and the richmond setup is for 28 or 30(just guessing havent counted yet) Is my truck a freak or am I going to have to order new axles? Thanks for any help. I would also like to hear from anyone who has used this setup. Thanks.

11-20-2010, 09:35 AM	#2
SCOTI Registered User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: DALLAS,TX Posts: 21,980	Re: axles??? I think 65 is when the 'switch' occurred from 17-spline to 30-spline. You'll need to look for axles from a 66-69 for 6-lug/same length or purchase new aftermarket units. __________________ 67SWB-B.B.RetroRod 64SWB-Recycle 89CCDually-Driver/Tow Truck 99CCSWB Driver All Fleetsides @rattlecankustoms in IG Building a small, high rpm engine with the perfect bore, stroke and rod ratio is very impressive. It's like a highly skilled Morrocan sword fighter with a Damascus Steel Scimitar..... *Cubic inches is like Indiana Jones with a cheap pistol.*

11-20-2010, 11:13 AM	#4
impalaboy9 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: lincoln ne Posts: 57	Re: axles??? No one would happen to have a set of free used ones ???? Thanks for the help guys I appreciate it. Any one used the lockright on here?

11-20-2010, 11:28 AM	#5
impalaboy9 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: lincoln ne Posts: 57	Re: axles??? No disrespect SCOTI but are you pretty sure on the years for the switch? I just ran out to my parts truck ran the VIN and its a 66, I just don't want to tear it apart to find out I was wrong, I'm running out of room in my shop. Thanks

11-20-2010, 02:41 PM	#7
aerotruk63 Check The Champ, Demonstrator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Montreal,Quebec Posts: 6,627	Re: axles??? Link to similar thread. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=423085 According to Hollander Interchange the change occurred from 17 spline to 30 spline in 1965. 1963 & 64 shared the same 17 spline,30 1/4" axles, GM part #3819048 L or R. 1965 to 69 C10 12 bolt along with a few P10, Carryall and Suburban shared the same axles, 30 spline, 30 1/4" long, GM part # 3893605 L or R . No expert, just saying what's in the book! __________________ 1963 *Chevrolet Truck* Literature LINK: https://picasaweb.google.com/113840717762774560215 YouTube Channel with 20+ Original *Chevrolet Truck* Salesmen, Mechanics & Service Department Training Slideshows. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...otruk63&page=1 Last edited by aerotruk63; 11-20-2010 at 02:58 PM.

11-20-2010, 09:59 AM	#3
TheDark1 Intentionally Left Blank Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Broussard, LA Posts: 355	Re: axles??? I got my Eaton posi and axles from Randy's Ring and Pinion. The price was good as is the quality. I believe I have 30 or 32 spline now. He should be able to get you hooked up for a decent price, if you can't find any used ones.--Jeff __________________ 1965 C-10 Short Fleet 468/TKO 5-Speed 2004 2500HD Crew 496/Ally Blacked Out (SOLD!!) 1997 Formula WS6 2004 Jeep Wrangler (Sold) 2013 Jeep Wrangler (Sold) 2017 Jeep Wrangler (Blacked Out on 35's) 2011 GMC D-Max Dually Denali 3500HD (Sold) 2015 GMC D-Max Dually Denali 3500HD (Sold) 2018 GMC D-Max Dually Denali 3500HD (Sold) 2020 D-Max Dually Denali on 33x12.50's 1979 GMC Short Bed Step-Side 4x4 350/350 Low Miles

11-20-2010, 04:17 PM	#8
impalaboy9 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: lincoln ne Posts: 57	Re: axles??? Ok SCOTI was right all my 66 has the 30 spline axles..... now the bad news. The bolt that holds the big pin in that keeps the spider gears together is broken in 3 pieces and I can only get two out. I was told that the pin is brittle and a cold chissel and a swing for the fences would break it so far my arm and the 2lb hammer are out of gas, I have broke 2 cold chisels and my air hammer made no dent either. Does anyone have experience in these matters?

11-21-2010, 12:41 AM	#10
Captainfab 60-66 Nut Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho Posts: 23,247	Re: axles??? Whoever told you that pin would break must have been smoking something. Now that you've likely damaged the surface of the pin, trying to break it, you'll probably not be able to slide it out even if you do get the rest of the retaining bolt out. At this point you might just have to cut the pin out between the spider gears with either a torch or a plasma cutter. But of course, you'll have to be extremely careful not to damage the ends of those axles. __________________ Power Steering Box Adapter Plates For Sale HERE Power Brake Booster Adapter Brackets For Sale '63-'66 HERE and '67-'72 HERE and '60-'62 HERE and "60-'62 with clutch HERE Rear Disc Brake Brackets For Sale. Impala SS calipers HERE Camaro Calipers HERE D52 Calipers HERE 6 Lug HERE Hydroboost Mounting Plates HERE

11-22-2010, 09:58 PM	#11
impalaboy9 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: lincoln ne Posts: 57	Re: axles??? You were all correct. That pin is the toughest mother I have ever ran into on any automotive project and I've rebuilt a few. Normally I just swap the entire rear end and never dig into one. I did finally manage to break the pin and remove my axles. Now I'm finally ready to install the Lock-right. Thanks for all the help.

11-23-2010, 07:46 PM	#12
raycow Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Francisco, CA USA Posts: 2,454	Re: axles??? It's a little late now, but we just went through this same problem in another thread. Anyone else who runs into it might like to know that there is a less destructive fix available. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=432175 Ray __________________ Live more responsibly. Eat lower on the food chain. Eat vegetarians.



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