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67swb72klb · 12-27-2010, 12:42 AM

1971 chev 30 full time 4 wd van military conv ? no tags mabe from tacom conversion co not sure seprate diffs on front any info is wellcome

duallyjams · 12-27-2010, 09:34 AM

I just seen one in a bone yard for the first time a couple of weeks ago it was in a fire rescue truck and it was a ford.

b454rat · 12-27-2010, 09:47 AM

Don't think that was military, but I saw one years ago. It was a 1/2 short wheel base. other than that, don't know anything about them.

**special-K** · 12-27-2010, 09:55 AM

There were conversions in the '70s and '80s called TerraVans that were GMs. Fords were called QuadraVans. There's a company 9n PA called Quigley that still does the conversions. Not sure,but maybe they are the ones that did the ones in the 70s-80s.

www.quigley4x4.com

sierra4x4 · 12-27-2010, 04:28 PM

What is that second picture? Why do I see two driveshafts? Does it have a devorced Tcase?

duallyjams · 12-27-2010, 06:40 PM

The two drive shafts go to a independent front rear, each front wheel has its own pumpkin with gears, one is independent from the other.The one I seen in the bone yard was a 1 ton Ford dually.

67swb72klb · 12-27-2010, 08:46 PM

according to the po it was a military veh posibly tacon was a early conversion co from what i was told by a frend who buys & sells military veh was just wondering if any body else knows anything 1971 is prety early for a van conv i think

48cj2a · 12-27-2010, 11:03 PM

Still don't think this is a Mil Van. Most Mil cargo type vans are all Cube Vans (van cab-box rear) Regular vans are almost always passenger vans with windows and I've never seen one in my 30yrs in the service that was 4 wheel drive. They usually use crew cabs and have in Chevy, Ford, and Dodge and Willys since the 50s.

If it is Mil there will be a metal ID plate on it.

I would like to see better pictures of the front differential.

BLAZERMAN · 12-27-2010, 11:55 PM

I would Love to see more pics of the axles and transfer case setup on this Beast!

67swb72klb · 12-28-2010, 12:24 AM

here is the rh front dif that t-case has the 2 front and the rear outputs mabe i can get a better pic of the t case tom thanx for the input u guys

thirdstreettito · 12-28-2010, 12:37 AM

Who's is it? How much do they want for it? That thing is wicked unique!

Permafrost · 12-28-2010, 01:01 AM

There are 4x4 converted vans all over my neck-of-the-woods; but utilize a solid front axle. I've never seen an arangement like that! That is something else! I'd love to learn more about it...

thirdstreettito · 12-28-2010, 11:46 AM

Experimental IFS 4wd?

48cj2a · 12-28-2010, 12:55 PM

Very interesting...do you have any photos of the transfercase and any of the wheel removed? Are there any markings on the differentials?

DirtyLarry · 12-28-2010, 12:57 PM

I can’t recall the name of the converter that did these oddball IFS 4x4 conversions on old vans but they are pretty rare. I remember correctly, these were only made for about 3 - 5 years. I wish I could find the article I read a while back on these. While they are rare to find in person, there are not rare to see them around in the internet. There was one on Ebay just a few weeks ago that was in really clean shape and working order.

One thing they are not, are GM experimental vehicles. These were made by a conversion company.

Check out the twin front drive shafts and differentials.

48cj2a · 12-28-2010, 01:02 PM

Great photo of the whole system...thanks for taking the time to lay it on its side...lol!

DirtyLarry · 12-28-2010, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 48cj2a

Great photo of the whole system...thanks for taking the time to lay it on its side...lol!

Hehe, just one of many pictures floating around of these. I finally remembered what they were called……

Vemco VX4 V-drive! It was invented by a guy in Ft. Wayne, IN then built by Dana Spicer. It is pretty obvious why this mess wasn’t a success.

Here is a link to the patent.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3814201.pdf

And a link to the patent summary.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3814201.html

67swb72klb · 12-29-2010, 01:55 AM

thanx for the info so this must b an early one being a 1971 ? looks like a vemco to me

str8axle55 · 12-30-2010, 08:37 PM

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This is the pick I remember seeing, very strange looking.

1tonblaze · 12-30-2010, 09:02 PM

I seen one also in a old bone yard up in hagerstown md . Ford one ton box van sitting on its side just like the one above this post . I never seen anything like that till that day very intresting on how they did it . I wonder if it was a strong set up ? look like two dana 44s with just the short shaft on both sides .

**Dieselwrencher** · 12-30-2010, 09:03 PM

Wow, that looks like a high wear unit for sure.

Cool idea though.

**Dieselwrencher** · 12-30-2010, 09:04 PM

In the top pic, that diff looks more like a Dana 30 than a 44.

Mkcustums · 12-31-2010, 10:27 AM

A few more pics of it-

Mkcustums · 12-31-2010, 10:34 AM

...one more

1tonblaze · 12-31-2010, 04:52 PM

yeah diesel it is a 30 just took a good look . i wonder how well it did must not have been to good since they dont use that set up no more kinda went the way of the closed knuckel axle .

12-27-2010, 12:42 AM	#1
67swb72klb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: livingston co.mi Posts: 2,471	U 4x4 guys seen any of these lately 1971 chev 30 full time 4 wd van military conv ? no tags mabe from tacom conversion co not sure seprate diffs on front any info is wellcome Attached Images __________________ California 65 GTO---Texas 64 burb 283 ---Oklahoma 67 CST SWB BBW wood bed 327 2004r---New Mexico 72 k10 350 350 auto---Georga 72 short step project Last edited by 67swb72klb; 12-27-2010 at 01:05 AM.

12-27-2010, 09:34 AM	#2
duallyjams Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Deale Md Posts: 4,663	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this I just seen one in a bone yard for the first time a couple of weeks ago it was in a fire rescue truck and it was a ford. __________________ James 63 GMC V6 4speed carryall 65 chevy swb bbw V8 auto 68 K20 327/4 speed, buddy buckets 2002 GMC CC Dually Duramax 64 GMC lwb 3/4 V6 4speed SOLD 66 GMC swb bbw buddy buckets SOLD IG duallyjams The only thing that stays the same is constant change!

12-27-2010, 09:47 AM	#3
b454rat Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 3,469	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this Don't think that was military, but I saw one years ago. It was a 1/2 short wheel base. other than that, don't know anything about them. __________________ 2000 GMC CCSB 454/4L80 6” lift SAS 1999 Chevy CCSB 454/NV4500 4” SAS 1999 GMC Yukon 350/4L60 6" SAS

12-27-2010, 09:55 AM	#4
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this There were conversions in the '70s and '80s called TerraVans that were GMs. Fords were called QuadraVans. There's a company 9n PA called Quigley that still does the conversions. Not sure,but maybe they are the ones that did the ones in the 70s-80s. www.quigley4x4.com __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 12-27-2010 at 09:56 AM.

12-27-2010, 04:28 PM	#5
sierra4x4 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 308	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this What is that second picture? Why do I see two driveshafts? Does it have a devorced Tcase?

12-27-2010, 06:40 PM	#6
duallyjams Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Deale Md Posts: 4,663	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this The two drive shafts go to a independent front rear, each front wheel has its own pumpkin with gears, one is independent from the other.The one I seen in the bone yard was a 1 ton Ford dually. __________________ James 63 GMC V6 4speed carryall 65 chevy swb bbw V8 auto 68 K20 327/4 speed, buddy buckets 2002 GMC CC Dually Duramax 64 GMC lwb 3/4 V6 4speed SOLD 66 GMC swb bbw buddy buckets SOLD IG duallyjams The only thing that stays the same is constant change!

12-27-2010, 08:46 PM	#7
67swb72klb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: livingston co.mi Posts: 2,471	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this according to the po it was a military veh posibly tacon was a early conversion co from what i was told by a frend who buys & sells military veh was just wondering if any body else knows anything 1971 is prety early for a van conv i think __________________ California 65 GTO---Texas 64 burb 283 ---Oklahoma 67 CST SWB BBW wood bed 327 2004r---New Mexico 72 k10 350 350 auto---Georga 72 short step project

12-27-2010, 11:03 PM	#8
48cj2a Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central, IL Posts: 599	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this Still don't think this is a Mil Van. Most Mil cargo type vans are all Cube Vans (van cab-box rear) Regular vans are almost always passenger vans with windows and I've never seen one in my 30yrs in the service that was 4 wheel drive. They usually use crew cabs and have in Chevy, Ford, and Dodge and Willys since the 50s. If it is Mil there will be a metal ID plate on it. I would like to see better pictures of the front differential. __________________ 03 Suburban Z71 Z71 98 GMC Yukon SLT 4x4 Yukon 86 M1009 CUCV Project Milverado 48 Willys CJ2A 48CJ2A

12-27-2010, 11:55 PM	#9
BLAZERMAN Currently Blazerless Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: St. Joseph Mo. Posts: 4,828	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this I would Love to see more pics of the axles and transfer case setup on this Beast! __________________ 1972 C/30 133" W.B. C&C 1970 GMC 3500 157" W.B. single wheel C&C

12-28-2010, 12:24 AM	#10
67swb72klb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: livingston co.mi Posts: 2,471	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this here is the rh front dif that t-case has the 2 front and the rear outputs mabe i can get a better pic of the t case tom thanx for the input u guys Attached Images __________________ California 65 GTO---Texas 64 burb 283 ---Oklahoma 67 CST SWB BBW wood bed 327 2004r---New Mexico 72 k10 350 350 auto---Georga 72 short step project

12-28-2010, 12:37 AM	#11
thirdstreettito Resident of Here Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL, USA Posts: 7,716	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this Who's is it? How much do they want for it? That thing is wicked unique! __________________ ~Bradley~ 2004 Black GTO LS2/T56 too much to list Miss having a truck

12-28-2010, 01:01 AM	#12
Permafrost Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: 64deg N. 147deg W. or thereabouts Posts: 87	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this There are 4x4 converted vans all over my neck-of-the-woods; but utilize a solid front axle. I've never seen an arangement like that! That is something else! I'd love to learn more about it... __________________ Too Many Projects: '50 GMC '62 Nova drop-top '68 K10 '68 Chevelle SS

12-28-2010, 11:46 AM	#13
thirdstreettito Resident of Here Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL, USA Posts: 7,716	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this Experimental IFS 4wd? __________________ ~Bradley~ 2004 Black GTO LS2/T56 too much to list Miss having a truck

12-28-2010, 12:55 PM	#14
48cj2a Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central, IL Posts: 599	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this Very interesting...do you have any photos of the transfercase and any of the wheel removed? Are there any markings on the differentials? __________________ 03 Suburban Z71 Z71 98 GMC Yukon SLT 4x4 Yukon 86 M1009 CUCV Project Milverado 48 Willys CJ2A 48CJ2A

12-28-2010, 12:57 PM	#15
DirtyLarry Windy Corner of a Dirty Street Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Pueblo West, Colorado Posts: 2,926	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this I can’t recall the name of the converter that did these oddball IFS 4x4 conversions on old vans but they are pretty rare. I remember correctly, these were only made for about 3 - 5 years. I wish I could find the article I read a while back on these. While they are rare to find in person, there are not rare to see them around in the internet. There was one on Ebay just a few weeks ago that was in really clean shape and working order. One thing they are not, are GM experimental vehicles. These were made by a conversion company. Check out the twin front drive shafts and differentials. __________________ Current vehicle collection: 1978 Chevrolet K10, 8.1L, NV4500, NP205 1989 Chevrolet Suburban, 8.1L, NV4500, NP241 1993 Chevrolet C1500 Sportside, TBI 7.4L, 4L60E 2001 Chevrolet K2500HD, Ext Cab, SWB, 8.1L, ZF 6 speed 2014 Chevrolet Impala LTZ 3.6L Vortec 8.1L because life is too short to tolerate underpowered vehicles Instagram



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12-28-2010, 01:02 PM	#16
48cj2a Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central, IL Posts: 599	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this Great photo of the whole system...thanks for taking the time to lay it on its side...lol! __________________ 03 Suburban Z71 Z71 98 GMC Yukon SLT 4x4 Yukon 86 M1009 CUCV Project Milverado 48 Willys CJ2A 48CJ2A

12-29-2010, 01:55 AM	#18
67swb72klb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: livingston co.mi Posts: 2,471	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this thanx for the info so this must b an early one being a 1971 ? looks like a vemco to me __________________ California 65 GTO---Texas 64 burb 283 ---Oklahoma 67 CST SWB BBW wood bed 327 2004r---New Mexico 72 k10 350 350 auto---Georga 72 short step project

12-30-2010, 08:37 PM	#19
str8axle55 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: Weymouth Ma Posts: 489	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this [/QUOTE] This is the pick I remember seeing, very strange looking. __________________ 03 GMC Yukon XL 2500 Quadrasteer, wife`s DD 84 Chevy K30 CC SRW 55 Chevy 210 2dr post

12-30-2010, 09:02 PM	#20
1tonblaze Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Carroll County Maryland , Posts: 828	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this I seen one also in a old bone yard up in hagerstown md . Ford one ton box van sitting on its side just like the one above this post . I never seen anything like that till that day very intresting on how they did it . I wonder if it was a strong set up ? look like two dana 44s with just the short shaft on both sides . __________________ 1970 k/5 blazer--> money pit - 14bolt dana 44 350 sm465/205 36 14.50 16 tires 1972 nova plane jane 6 clyinder might sell might keep dont know 2004 chevy s-10 crewcab zr5 sold 1985 c20 chevy long bed , beater , on its way to a better place in pa from what the dmv told me 2010 kia forte koup 2.4 sx -over the river and threw the woods to the total lot it went . 1999 k1500 suburban 350 vortec 4l60e leather land yacht .

12-30-2010, 09:03 PM	#21
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,142	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this Wow, that looks like a high wear unit for sure. Cool idea though. __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

12-30-2010, 09:04 PM	#22
Dieselwrencher 6>8 Plugless........ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Prairie City, Ia Posts: 17,142	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this In the top pic, that diff looks more like a Dana 30 than a 44. __________________ Ryan 1972 Chevy Longhorn K30 Cheyenne Super, 359 Inline 6 cylinder, Auto Trans, Tilt, Diesel Tach/Vach, Buckets, Rare Rear 4-link and air ride option Build Thread 1972 GMC Sierra Grande Longhorn 4x4 1972 Chevy Cheyenne Super K20 Long Step side tilt, tach, tow hooks, AC, 350 4 speed 1972 C10 Suburban Custom Deluxe 1969 Chevy milk truck 1971 Camaro RS 5.3 BTR STG3 Cam Super T10 1940 Ford 354 Hemi 46RH Ford 9" on air ride huge project *Tired of spark plugs? Check this out.*

12-31-2010, 10:27 AM	#23
Mkcustums Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wilsonville Or Posts: 705	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this A few more pics of it- Attached Images

12-31-2010, 10:34 AM	#24
Mkcustums Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wilsonville Or Posts: 705	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this ...one more Attached Images

12-31-2010, 04:52 PM	#25
1tonblaze Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Carroll County Maryland , Posts: 828	Re: any u guys seen somthen lk this yeah diesel it is a 30 just took a good look . i wonder how well it did must not have been to good since they dont use that set up no more kinda went the way of the closed knuckel axle . __________________ 1970 k/5 blazer--> money pit - 14bolt dana 44 350 sm465/205 36 14.50 16 tires 1972 nova plane jane 6 clyinder might sell might keep dont know 2004 chevy s-10 crewcab zr5 sold 1985 c20 chevy long bed , beater , on its way to a better place in pa from what the dmv told me 2010 kia forte koup 2.4 sx -over the river and threw the woods to the total lot it went . 1999 k1500 suburban 350 vortec 4l60e leather land yacht .

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