Small-Window in a '68? Harry Bradley's first design?

[John Gilbert]

Boy, Jim Aust's writings on the '67-72 C10 is going to be a tough act to follow. I do believe I've identified a niche that Custom Classic Trucks' readers will relate to, so this won't be a complete rehash of what's already been written.

Anyway, does anyone know if any Small-Window '68s were produced, or were Small-Windows built in the first half of '67, and then the second half introduced the Panaramic rear window. The build sheet on my '68 GMC, built in Sept 67 has a box for the Panaramic rear window, indicating it might have been treated as an option? Similar to big and smalls were treated '60-66 and 2nd '55-59.

Also was the '67 C10 Harry Bradley's very first design project?

Thanks in advance!

[too much stuff]

Far as i know the small window was only available in 67, with the panoramic option. 68 should be all big windows.

[John Gilbert]

Originally Posted by too much stuff

Far as i know the small window was only available in 67, with the panoramic option. 68 should be all big windows.

Thanks, that kind of what I've always thought.

Small-Windows were standard, and a '67 Panaramic was a cost option as in the past years 60-66, 55-59?

[67chevy1series]

yes you are correct i wonder how much more money did it cost like ets say the normal smll window c 10 was 2,000 and then when you wanted the big window it was 2,345 $ does anyone know the facts i was just givin an example

[dan42]

There was a discussion on this in another thread and I believe it was determined that there were a few '68's with small back windows - early ones, using up the old stock of cabs.

[special-K]

I believe someone here with a dealer data book stated the option was a no cost item. Maybe he will chime in with facts. The thread was just this past week.

[Scott Webster]

What's panoramic look like? Does it have 2 small curved windows in the corners or 1 window that curves around the corners?

[John Gilbert]

Originally Posted by Scott Webster

What's panoramic look like? Does it have 2 small curved windows in the corners or 1 window that curves around the corners?

In short Panoramic is GM's term for a big-window. I believe it started with the '55 second series when the big window did wrap around the rear corners. I don't know the earlier 5-window in the A-Ds was called, other than a Deluxe cab.

[John Gilbert]

Thanks a lot for the help, and input you guys. I don't mean to rehash things that have already been discussed on here. It's important for me to make this story as complete and accurate as possible because it will be archived on Custom Classic Trucks website, and come up anytime a Google search is done on '67-72 Chevy and GMC trucks.

[50mercfan]

i had a 68 short stepper small window.

harry bently bradley started with this customized 51 chevy. he designed and built it while in high school. it's called "la jolla" it still exist in pristine condition.

[John Gilbert]

Originally Posted by 50mercfan

i had a 68 short stepper small window.

harry bently bradley started with this customized 51 chevy. he designed and built it while in high school. it's called "la jolla" it still exist in pristine condition.

Thanks, yeah, I've heard about enough '68 smalls to include them in the text.

I knew about the La Jolla, his parents car that was his first custom. I was wondering if the '67C10 was his very first assignment as a GM designer.

Thanks!

[John Gilbert]

Originally Posted by special-K

I believe someone here with a dealer data book stated the option was a no cost item. Maybe he will chime in with facts. The thread was just this past week.

Gotta love those no-cost options. steel bed, or wood bed, small-window, or big-window? Here's some busy work for someone, it'd be interesting to see a list of '67-72 no-cost options.

Thanks,

[CircusWagonJim]

Originally Posted by John Gilbert

Thanks, yeah, I've heard about enough '68 smalls to include them in the text.

I knew about the La Jolla, his parents car that was his first custom. I was wondering if the '67C10 was his very first assignment as a GM designer.

Thanks!

He started there in 1962 in the GM design department- I think he was in on smaller projects before he was head of design on the '67 trucks. He was a Rebel- he often did not agree with the big bosses who wanted to keep costs down.

Before GM, starting in about 1957 he did dream car illustrations in some of the East Coast pocket size custom car magazines.

After GM he was a long time transportation instructor at Pasadena Art Center.

[John Gilbert]

Jim,

Maybe a grim question, but is Harry still alive?

Thanks for jumping in on this, it should be a pretty good article thanks to you posting your archives, and help from the rest of our friends on here.

Are you going to MPMC, or the GNRS this week?

And Thanks!

[bruceman1968]

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...2&postcount=29 John, Notice the cig lighter, armrest and vent window latches.

[John Gilbert]

Originally Posted by bruceman1968

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...2&postcount=29 John, Notice the cig lighter, armrest and vent window latches.

Incredible, that's cinches it, thanks!

[bruceman1968]

Wait john clinches what? I think that wreker is a freak. I still don't think small window was a option in 68.

[CircusWagonJim]

Originally Posted by John Gilbert

Jim,

Maybe a grim question, but is Harry still alive?

Thanks for jumping in on this, it should be a pretty good article thanks to you posting your archives, and help from the rest of our friends on here.

Are you going to MPMC, or the GNRS this week?

And Thanks!

Harry is alive- I am going to the GNRS. Thanks! Jim

[CircusWagonJim]

Originally Posted by bruceman1968

Wait john clinches what? I think that wreker is a freak. I still don't think small window was a option in 68.

Wasn't an option- but I know enough truck guys have seen them that a few exist.

[bruceman1968]

Originally Posted by CircusWagonJim

Wasn't an option- but I know enough truck guys have seen them that a few exist.

I agree 100% NOT a option in 68.

[special-K]

The small window was never an option,right? I see that truck has the 68+ dash,but that's a different panel. The cab rear panel goes from over the window to the bottom and includes the rear door jamb that VIN plate is riveted too. If anything,the surplus small windows would have gone on a very low optioned truck and especially,maybe, a C/30 cab & chassis..I'd think. I never saw that thread but it sure is convincing.
I think I'd stick with calling the Panoramic rear window an option and leave out the "no cost" unless someone chimes in with fact. I may have recalled that wrongly. Maybe it was the wood vs steel floor thread I'm thinking of.

[bruceman1968]

Originally Posted by special-K

The small window was never an option,right? I see that truck has the 68+ dash,but that's a different panel. .

Tim, that's right small window was never a option. And yes the dash is a different panel. I think some 67 small window cabs were left over and they got built out with 68 stuff including a 68 dash.

[John Gilbert]

I've got enough to mention '68 small-windows in the story, but yeah this is a real "gray area" in the history of these trucks.

I learned a long time ago not to argue about whether, or not something existed.

Thanks,


Jim, I'll see you at GNRS

[bruceman1968]

Just a side note: It's the cab that makes the window panoramic
By definition. pan·o·ram·a noun 1. An unbroken view of an entire surrounding area.
So It's the removal of sheetmetal in the cab that makes for the pamoramic view, not the window. It's a panoramic cab with a full view window Sorry for the nit-pick.

[special-K]

Reminds me of a '58 VW I had. That was the first year with the larger rear window. '57 was the last oval window. The dash also changed in '58 from the center speaker/no gas gauge/tiny vertical ashtray/tiny glovebox that '57-back had. My '58 had the '57-back dash and the '58-up rear window. It was a European import and I figure they changed things differently over there. It had other odd differences,too,but that's another topic. Back to Chevy trucks...
Just saying,there can be exceptions to the rule.

Edit: I agree. I tried sticking a large window over the '67 hole and it just didn't look right.

Wish I was going to the roadster show.