I.D. Tag Info / The question has to be put out there ...

[62 Longbed]

Okay , I see we were locked out of our previous thread about I.D.
Plates .. Notice .. New Title ... Anyways we are not trying to push or condone anything illegal here .. but the question needs to be there because what happens if my roof is so badly rusted out that I have to cut my complete roof section off and replace it with another ??? Now is that gonna be deemed illegal to since maybe that roof piece came with a I.D. tag , what if cut out the other area around the I.D. tag so I can use ?? Your still removing the I.D. so persay .. Questions are Questions that need to be asked , how you use this info is intirelly up to you ... but we need to keep the dream alive and the trucks on the road !!!! I'm sure I will get my hand slapped for this , or we will be locked out again ...But normally I sit back and keep quite .. but this got me wound up and forced me to break my silence ..

[k1rodeoboater]

If you're really worried about it cut out the part where your vin is and reweld in yours
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[Clyde65]

Technically it should be destroyed. Find another cab and title, use the good cab and title and destroy the one that is in question.

I noticed today someone on the local CL offering a title and vin tag for a 61 c10. I would be Leary of that to start with but, I would also think the law would stop that if it were not permitted.

[62 Longbed]

But again you need to ask yourself what If my replacement roof came with a I.D. tag ???? Are you gonna do something illegal by cutting it out to use on your truck ?? Think about the situation or like most say .. Don't Kiss and Tell ...

[bama63]

in alabama you are allowed to replace any damaged parts so long as you document the vin of the vehicle the parts were salvaged from and this includes parts of and including complete cab or frame

[monolith]

I don't want to hijack this thread but I have some questions that bear along these lines as well.

(Please mods and members- don't think I'm trying to stir the pot by posting on this subject- just looking for answers where I think I'll best find them):

What if someone's replacing the area that the vin tag is in due to extreme rust (like my 4x4 sub) or perhaps customizing a truck that eliminates that area altogether.(like making a roadster pickup?).

I'm hoping for some answers to these questions before I proceed with anything on my badly rusted suburban- and what are the legalities for cab/body swaps/grafts? I want to make sure I'm not doing anything to render the truck undriveable or unsellable. Especially in California

[Clyde65]

I would think that if both VIN's and titles were in hand and clean, then the DMV would have no issues with reissuing a title for it.

If someone wanted to do that 62, then as long as they didnt kiss and tell, who would know? BUT and I strongly say but, I would not feel comfortable selling my ride if the need came up, if I were in that situation, call me whatever. I would lay it out there to the potential buyer cuz I would want it done that way if the roles were reversed.

some might call it OK, some dirty or worse, because your not going to be the seller, your kids, or your wife will be and they might not know the whole story. I just wouldnt do it is all I am saying.

[padresag]

any intelligent person wanting to do this could call and go into their MVB and ask them first. There is no guess work. they will tell you
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[bama63]

i see complete frame swaps on here all the time so i ask, if the frame vin does not match the cab vin how is that different?

[padresag]

it is not but if you ever get in an accident and they check the nbrs, it can make a big difference, even loss of claim. just ask your MVB and see what they will say to you. again they are the ones that hold all of the cards
ron

nobody on here is going to tell as they more than likely do not know

[62 Longbed]

Clyde65 , and any other members ... I'm Sorry about the kiss and tell comment .. I didn't mean I would be like that .. Because I'm the type that could not sell any vehicle without being honest about changes made .. All I was trying to state is that unfortanatly in all car and truck venues there are that few that are looking to make big money not caring about the little guy or what may come upon us in the future .. Fix the Classics and Preserve the Tradition !!

[lakeroadster]

Originally Posted by padresag

any intelligent person wanting to do this could call and go into their MVB and ask them first. There is no guess work. they will tell you
ron

Most of the people "working" at the DMV are clerks, not lawyers that know the law. You would need to talk to the head of the DMV, and get them to put whatever they tell you in writing and sign it. Otherwise don't take their advice "to the bank".

Here is some interesting reading: http://www.boss302.com/legal.htm

Whoever buys, receives, possesses, or obtains control of, with intent to sell or otherwise dispose of, a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part, knowing that an identification number for such motor vehicle or part has been removed, obliterated, tampered with, or altered, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

[padresag]

Originally Posted by lakeroadster

Most of the people "working" at the DMV are clerks, not lawyers that know the law. You would need to talk to the head of the DMV, and get them to put whatever they tell you in writing and sign it. Otherwise don't take their advice "to the bank".

Here is some interesting reading: http://www.boss302.com/legal.htm

Whoever buys, receives, possesses, or obtains control of, with intent to sell or otherwise dispose of, a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part, knowing that an identification number for such motor vehicle or part has been removed, obliterated, tampered with, or altered, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

all of their policies are written down. if the clerk doesn'\'t know just ask for someone that does. that link that you supplied was just a list of statutes or policies that are in their state MVB. your local clerk may not(they should-job description)know all of the rules but they should have access to them. you definitely should have the right for someone to interpret then for you. They have all the rules and you shouldn't need a lawyer to have them defined to you. you may have to be a little adamant with the odd clerk who thinks that they know but don;t.

another thing that is real picky here with our MVB is frame welds. if you get in an accident and those welds are not certified your **** out of luck as far as insurance coverage is concerned. how many of these guye that are putting in "c" notches have certified weld. I would never buy a vehicle from anyone with a modified frame (my personal opinion); there are just to many hack welders out there
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[bama63]

alabama law is as follows...(4) IDENTIFIABLE COMPONENT PART. Such term includes any part of a vehicle that an identifying number stamped or placed on it by the manufacturer or other authorized person or any part that can be identified by other means as being a part of a particular vehicle (ie motor, transmission, frame etc.)


(g) An identification number may be placed on a vehicle, engine, transmission, or other identifiable component part of a vehicle, by its manufacturer in the regular course of business or placed or restored on same by authority of the department without violating this section; an identification number so placed or restored is not falsified

so if i read correctly the tag can be removed and re-installed with permission of the dmv


edit...this only applies to 1975 or newer vehicles as 1974 or older are not titled or registered in alabama

see here http://law.onecle.com/alabama/motor-...c/32-8-86.html

[lakeroadster]

Originally Posted by padresag

all of their policies are written down. if the clerk doesn'\'t know just ask for someone that does. that link that you supplied was just a list of statutes or policies that are in their state MVB. your local clerk may not(they should-job description)know all of the rules but they should have access to them. you definitely should have the right for someone to interpret then for you. They have all the rules and you shouldn't need a lawyer to have them defined to you. you may have to be a little adamant with the odd clerk who thinks that they know but don;t.

another thing that is real picky here with our MVB is frame welds. if you get in an accident and those welds are not certified your **** out of luck as far as insurance coverage is concerned. how many of these guye that are putting in "c" notches have certified weld. I would never buy a vehicle from anyone with a modified frame (my personal opinion); there are just to many hack welders out there
ron

Oh, you are from Canada. The DMV here in the U.S. is , well lets just say, not as you have described your MVB.

[scum1]

heres what happened to me..

cab 63' - one vin number
frame 66' - diff vin number

the title i have is for the cab, but in nevada they look at the frame. so they dont match. the guy i bought it from has the 63 frame for my cab but a different (64 or 64) cab on that frame, make sense. he got lucky when he registered the truck because the dmv made a mistake and didnt check the frame. so what i had to do was take my truck to california highway patrol and have them do a vin check and make me matching #'s. this was after about two tons of paperwork, phone calls, statements of facts from 5 PO's deep. all in all a hassle. one thing i learned is that the DMV in both ca and nv are completely unaware of any legal information pertaining to these issues and to double check with the proper authorites. in fact almost everything that the dmv said to me was told to be 100% untrue by the highway patrol guys. i was amazed

[cb1965]

now i want to check my numbers. where on the frame is the vin? should it be identical

to the vin on cab?

[steverino66]

Originally Posted by cb1965

now i want to check my numbers. where on the frame is the vin? should it be identical

to the vin on cab?

Mine doesn't match, not even a similar number, Oklahoma apparently doesn't care - found on top of the driver's side frame rail, just forward of motor mount

[cb1965]

is it stamped or is it a tag?

[lakeroadster]

Originally Posted by scum1

in fact almost everything that the dmv said to me was told to be 100% untrue by the highway patrol guys. i was amazed

Thanks for the post! This is exactly what I am saying... the DMV and the law are both usefull, but are not interchangeable. The "law" is what we must follow, not some DMV clerk's interpretation thereof.

[monolith]

This is why I think threads like this are helpful.

I have had very little luck asking even simple questions of DMV clerks.

I've also never even THOUGHT about the legalities of welding on the frame.

And having someone who has been through the process relate their experiences provides valuable insight.

Thanks again, guys, I learn so much here.

[steverino66]

Originally Posted by cb1965

is it stamped or is it a tag?

numbers are stamped into the frame surface - you may have to scrape or clean a bit to find them

[padresag]

Originally Posted by lakeroadster

Thanks for the post! This is exactly what I am saying... the DMV and the law are both usefull, but are not interchangeable. The "law" is what we must follow, not some DMV clerk's interpretation thereof.

they both have to go by the same statutes and the police can misinterpret those same statutes. your legislature makes the laws, the dmv administers them and the police carry them out . that is what you have to follow.
ron

[LT1 Burb]

I will just say that I have bought hundreds of vehicles and I have never once looked at a rivet on a vin tag to see if it was original. I just posed the question because my suburban vin tag is painted and I want to do as close to original resto on my shortwide as I can and the tags were neither masked or painted.

[padresag]

it was a good question. I think that if one presents it to them, that they may have a solution to it..
ron