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Str8axle · 05-20-2011, 10:52 AM

Can a Borg Warner o/d unit from a '62 F*rd F100 be transplanted to a '65 Chevy truck 3spd? I can get the whole truck for a song and dance, so I figured I'd ask before I do the deal. Thanks all for your help in advance.

61_FL_Apache · 05-20-2011, 12:23 PM

Any F*** part installed into a Chevy is just asking for trouble....

Just sayin

NCD1966 · 05-20-2011, 04:34 PM

I have a chevy 3speed with OD but I dont know if it will bolt up to a ford transmission. (I would think it would be different)

maybe search on H.A.M.B or ask those guys.

I know they talk alot about these OD units. I'm not a member on there just did some searching on it long ago

64fleetside · 05-20-2011, 04:46 PM

Borg-Warner made the GM version as well-if the front bearing retainer(bellhousing hole) is the same diameter, it will work fine.

andyh1956 · 05-20-2011, 09:42 PM

it can be done, the reason i know this is because i put a 283 in a '65 ford f100 & bolted it to the t98 that was in the truck. to start with the bearing retainer must be turned down to fit the cast iron bell housing with the open bottom you will be using. it must also be shortened to chevy length & reduced in diameter so the chevy release bearing will fit. simple lathe work. use four socket head cap screws to retain it. check the end of input shaft size against the chevy, you may need to re-bore a new pilot bearing. use a clutch cover that fits the chevy flywheel & a ford disc that is the same diameter as the cover. the top two holes in the ford case will need to be elongated towards each other until the bolts will thread into the bell housing. the bottom two holes will miss the bell housing completely. using the holes that the dust shield used to bolt to, bolt a piece of 1/4" thick flat bar to the bottom of the bell housing. now cut another piece & drill holes for the trans ears & bolt it to the trans. now weld these two together. then fab a couple of gussets & weld them in. you will try to use a piece of angle instead of welding flat bar together but it won't work because the dust cover flange is not 90 deg to the trans mounting face unless you mill it so. i did this when i was just married & funds were non existent & i read an article in a hot rod mag about putting a ford top loader 4 spd in a '55 chevy so i reversed engineered the article & came up with this. or you could just go get a dual pattern scatter-shield & save a lot of work. but if you can afford the scatter-shield then you could also afford that shiny new tremec 5 spd trans!

andy

Blue666 · 05-20-2011, 11:50 PM

Get the F*rd.

Sell for parts.

Buy Chevy T-5.

Str8axle · 05-21-2011, 11:39 AM

Thanks guys. Actually, I was asking if the O/D unit itself could be swapped from the F*rd trans to the Chevy trans. I know it would be a lot of work even if it is possible.
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Str8axle · 05-27-2011, 08:54 AM

BTT for the morning crowd. Still curious about this. Would I be better off looking for a Chevy unit? T5 is an option, but I've always kinda enjoyed column shift and feel it would retain the "flavor" of my truck.
Thanks everyone again for your input.
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NCD1966 · 05-27-2011, 04:31 PM

Like alot of guys on this board, Since a little kid I was always either playing in or going somewhere in the 66 with my Dad. I always remember my dad shifting the 3 speed on the tree; and wondered what the heck is he doing? haha
So that one reason I kept it somewhat close to original. just want the OD for highway use.
I mean the 3 speed on the column you dont see anymore. I would look for a chevy unit if it was me.

BTW here is a site with junkyards around the country.
There are some OD units on here www.car-part.com

Str8axle · 11-16-2011, 10:45 AM

Well I found out that the F*rd unit is different, so I"ll be getting rid of it. Still gonna look for a Chevy unit, but I did learn some things about the o/d units so it wasn't a bad thing.

**aerotruk63** · 11-16-2011, 11:06 AM

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**aerotruk63** · 11-16-2011, 11:09 AM

Best so far:

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old cruiser · 11-18-2011, 06:11 AM

Sorry to jump in on this thread, but I've found one here in oz its out of a 56 chev with electric soleniod will this bolt up to the 230 bell housing? and does the drive shaft need modifying?
Cheers Matt

Str8axle · 11-18-2011, 09:13 AM

aero, thanks for the links. Can't imagine what shipping would be for one. If I can find one "local" I'd rather that.
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Str8axle · 11-18-2011, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by old cruiser

Sorry to jump in on this thread, but I've found one here in oz its out of a 56 chev with electric soleniod will this bolt up to the 230 bell housing? and does the drive shaft need modifying?
Cheers Matt

It should bolt right up no problem, but you will probably have to shorten the drive shaft. Make sure you get the relays and kickdown switch with it.
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GCncsuHD · 11-18-2011, 09:28 AM

Soo these 3spd overdrives would bolt right up and use the original column shift linkages? I have all the parts to bolt up the original 3spd up to the 5.3 I am putting in my 67, but I have started to hesitate, as the wife reallly want's to to take the 67 on Route66 after it is finished and I wouldn't mind doing the hot rod power tour one day, and not having overdrive would be no fun for those.

old cruiser · 11-18-2011, 06:26 PM

Thanks Str8axle

Rich 5150 69 · 11-18-2011, 08:43 PM

Ray to bad you`re not living here, there is one for sure, poss 3 on CL ...

Str8axle · 11-18-2011, 11:03 PM

If I was, I'd swap you a '55 Pontiac Hydra-Matic for one. LOL!

slorio · 11-19-2011, 11:37 PM

Folks:
If you decide to ship one of these, make sure the sender removes the governor and solenoid from the transmission before shipping and pack them separately. They stick out from either side of the tranny and are easy to break and impossible to find. Also, UPS is likely to deny the insurance coverage if they get broken. Ask me how I know?
Regards,
Steve
New Orleans

Str8axle · 11-20-2011, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slorio

Folks:
If you decide to ship one of these, make sure the sender removes the governor and solenoid from the transmission before shipping and pack them separately. They stick out from either side of the tranny and are easy to break and impossible to find. Also, UPS is likely to deny the insurance coverage if they get broken. Ask me how I know?
Regards,
Steve
New Orleans

Doesn't sound as though you had a pleasant experience. How bad was the co$t on top of the aggravation?

slorio · 11-20-2011, 10:06 PM

Ray:
$150. The seller tried to crate the tranny, but UPS refused it as being too heavy. He resorted to boxing it, but UPS said for the insurance that I paid for to kick in, there had to be 2" of packing on all sides, which he didn't know and didn't do. That insurance is a real racket.
Regards,
Steve
New Orleans

PS Overcame the setback and love these trannies. I have the later model with seven bolt side cover and synchro'ed first. It is a great addition behind my 305 GMC v6.

Str8axle · 11-21-2011, 10:45 AM

Steve, that really blows! Maybe he should've left it in the crate and shipped it fedex freight. I'm glad you didn't let that turn you off and go with a different trans. I'm more than likely gonna hold out for one to come up local. I'd rather not ship if I don't have to. I have my F*rd unit on CL right now, but haven't got any hits yet.

PS. If i can find the 7 bolt trans, I'll be on it like white on rice...

05-20-2011, 10:52 AM	#1
Str8axle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: South Jersey Posts: 234	3spd O/D question Can a Borg Warner o/d unit from a '62 Frd F100 be transplanted to a '65 Chevy truck 3spd? I can get the whole truck for a song and dance, so I figured I'd ask before I do the deal. Thanks all for your help in advance. __________________ _____________________________________________ Ray* All my life, I've been told I'm a "Bad Influence"

05-20-2011, 12:23 PM	#2
61_FL_Apache Who Me? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Royal Palm Beach, FL Posts: 4,067	Re: 3spd O/D question Any F*** part installed into a Chevy is just asking for trouble.... Just sayin __________________ Steve 1997 Tahoe LT 4D 2WD (DD) 2001 Blazer 4D 2WD 1961 Apache 10 (sold) 1965 C10 Stepper (sold)

05-20-2011, 04:34 PM	#3
NCD1966 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Lafayette , La Posts: 404	Re: 3spd O/D question I have a chevy 3speed with OD but I dont know if it will bolt up to a ford transmission. (I would think it would be different) maybe search on H.A.M.B or ask those guys. I know they talk alot about these OD units. I'm not a member on there just did some searching on it long ago __________________ 1966 Chevy C10 Stepside 355ci sbc with 3speed OD 2021 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4 6.2 1980 Chevy Camaro z28 383ci 1990 Chevy Suburban 350 tbi 2x4 (sold) 1984 Chevy C10 sliverado short fleet 1997 Chevy C1500 short fleet

05-20-2011, 04:46 PM	#4
64fleetside Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: arkieland Posts: 1,070	Re: 3spd O/D question Borg-Warner made the GM version as well-if the front bearing retainer(bellhousing hole) is the same diameter, it will work fine.

05-20-2011, 09:42 PM	#5
andyh1956 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: thomastown mississippi Posts: 1,261	Re: 3spd O/D question it can be done, the reason i know this is because i put a 283 in a '65 ford f100 & bolted it to the t98 that was in the truck. to start with the bearing retainer must be turned down to fit the cast iron bell housing with the open bottom you will be using. it must also be shortened to chevy length & reduced in diameter so the chevy release bearing will fit. simple lathe work. use four socket head cap screws to retain it. check the end of input shaft size against the chevy, you may need to re-bore a new pilot bearing. use a clutch cover that fits the chevy flywheel & a ford disc that is the same diameter as the cover. the top two holes in the ford case will need to be elongated towards each other until the bolts will thread into the bell housing. the bottom two holes will miss the bell housing completely. using the holes that the dust shield used to bolt to, bolt a piece of 1/4" thick flat bar to the bottom of the bell housing. now cut another piece & drill holes for the trans ears & bolt it to the trans. now weld these two together. then fab a couple of gussets & weld them in. you will try to use a piece of angle instead of welding flat bar together but it won't work because the dust cover flange is not 90 deg to the trans mounting face unless you mill it so. i did this when i was just married & funds were non existent & i read an article in a hot rod mag about putting a ford top loader 4 spd in a '55 chevy so i reversed engineered the article & came up with this. or you could just go get a dual pattern scatter-shield & save a lot of work. but if you can afford the scatter-shield then you could also afford that shiny new tremec 5 spd trans! andy Last edited by andyh1956; 05-20-2011 at 09:43 PM. Reason: ??

05-20-2011, 11:50 PM	#6
Blue666 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Andrews, NC Posts: 194	Re: 3spd O/D question Get the F*rd. Sell for parts. Buy Chevy T-5.

05-21-2011, 11:39 AM	#7
Str8axle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: South Jersey Posts: 234	Re: 3spd O/D question Thanks guys. Actually, I was asking if the O/D unit itself could be swapped from the Frd trans to the Chevy trans. I know it would be a lot of work even if it is possible. Posted via Mobile Device* __________________ _____________________________________________ Ray All my life, I've been told I'm a "Bad Influence"

05-27-2011, 08:54 AM	#8
Str8axle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: South Jersey Posts: 234	Re: 3spd O/D question BTT for the morning crowd. Still curious about this. Would I be better off looking for a Chevy unit? T5 is an option, but I've always kinda enjoyed column shift and feel it would retain the "flavor" of my truck. Thanks everyone again for your input. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ _____________________________________________ Ray All my life, I've been told I'm a "Bad Influence"

05-27-2011, 04:31 PM	#9
NCD1966 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Lafayette , La Posts: 404	Re: 3spd O/D question Like alot of guys on this board, Since a little kid I was always either playing in or going somewhere in the 66 with my Dad. I always remember my dad shifting the 3 speed on the tree; and wondered what the heck is he doing? haha So that one reason I kept it somewhat close to original. just want the OD for highway use. I mean the 3 speed on the column you dont see anymore. I would look for a chevy unit if it was me. BTW here is a site with junkyards around the country. There are some OD units on here www.car-part.com __________________ 1966 Chevy C10 Stepside 355ci sbc with 3speed OD 2021 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4 6.2 1980 Chevy Camaro z28 383ci 1990 Chevy Suburban 350 tbi 2x4 (sold) 1984 Chevy C10 sliverado short fleet 1997 Chevy C1500 short fleet

11-16-2011, 10:45 AM	#10
Str8axle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: South Jersey Posts: 234	Re: 3spd O/D question Well I found out that the Frd unit is different, so I"ll be getting rid of it. Still gonna look for a Chevy unit, but I did learn some things about the o/d units so it wasn't a bad thing. __________________ _____________________________________________ Ray* All my life, I've been told I'm a "Bad Influence"

11-16-2011, 11:06 AM	#11
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aerotruk63 Check The Champ, Demonstrator Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Montreal,Quebec Posts: 6,627	Re: 3spd O/D question Best so far: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/pts/2697777682.html __________________ 1963 *Chevrolet Truck* Literature LINK: https://picasaweb.google.com/113840717762774560215 YouTube Channel with 20+ Original *Chevrolet Truck* Salesmen, Mechanics & Service Department Training Slideshows. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...otruk63&page=1

11-18-2011, 06:11 AM	#13
old cruiser Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Camperdown Vic Australia Posts: 230	Re: 3spd O/D question Sorry to jump in on this thread, but I've found one here in oz its out of a 56 chev with electric soleniod will this bolt up to the 230 bell housing? and does the drive shaft need modifying? Cheers Matt

11-18-2011, 09:13 AM	#14
Str8axle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: South Jersey Posts: 234	Re: 3spd O/D question aero, thanks for the links. Can't imagine what shipping would be for one. If I can find one "local" I'd rather that. Posted via Mobile Device __________________ _____________________________________________ Ray All my life, I've been told I'm a "Bad Influence"

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GCncsuHD Charlie Daniels w/ a Tq Wrench Join Date: May 2009 Location: Statesville, NC Posts: 1,570	Re: 3spd O/D question Soo these 3spd overdrives would bolt right up and use the original column shift linkages? I have all the parts to bolt up the original 3spd up to the 5.3 I am putting in my 67, but I have started to hesitate, as the wife reallly want's to to take the 67 on Route66 after it is finished and I wouldn't mind doing the hot rod power tour one day, and not having overdrive would be no fun for those. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 67 C10 Shortbed "Great Grandpa's Truck" I6 3 on the Tree 71k original miles 5.3 swap in the works 69 K5 Blazer-Family Beach Cruiser Project 78 K30 Dually Semi-Retired Fire Truck 350/SM465 35"s SOLD01 2500HD ECSB 6.0 4x4 5.13's 8" lift 38"s



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11-18-2011, 06:26 PM	#17
old cruiser Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Camperdown Vic Australia Posts: 230	Re: 3spd O/D question Thanks Str8axle

11-18-2011, 08:43 PM	#18
Rich 5150 69 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Galt, Calif Posts: 2,437	Re: 3spd O/D question Ray to bad you`re not living here, there is one for sure, poss 3 on CL ... __________________ `64 C10 vortec 350/350/373 posi `69 RS/SS 350/350/308 `37 Ford 406/350/324 traclock `68 Dart 370/904/323 suregrip

11-18-2011, 11:03 PM	#19
Str8axle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: South Jersey Posts: 234	Re: 3spd O/D question If I was, I'd swap you a '55 Pontiac Hydra-Matic for one. LOL! __________________ _____________________________________________ Ray All my life, I've been told I'm a "Bad Influence"

11-19-2011, 11:37 PM	#20
slorio Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 375	Re: 3spd O/D question Folks: If you decide to ship one of these, make sure the sender removes the governor and solenoid from the transmission before shipping and pack them separately. They stick out from either side of the tranny and are easy to break and impossible to find. Also, UPS is likely to deny the insurance coverage if they get broken. Ask me how I know? Regards, Steve New Orleans

11-20-2011, 10:06 PM	#22
slorio Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 375	Re: 3spd O/D question Ray: $150. The seller tried to crate the tranny, but UPS refused it as being too heavy. He resorted to boxing it, but UPS said for the insurance that I paid for to kick in, there had to be 2" of packing on all sides, which he didn't know and didn't do. That insurance is a real racket. Regards, Steve New Orleans PS Overcame the setback and love these trannies. I have the later model with seven bolt side cover and synchro'ed first. It is a great addition behind my 305 GMC v6.

11-21-2011, 10:45 AM	#23
Str8axle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: South Jersey Posts: 234	Re: 3spd O/D question Steve, that really blows! Maybe he should've left it in the crate and shipped it fedex freight. I'm glad you didn't let that turn you off and go with a different trans. I'm more than likely gonna hold out for one to come up local. I'd rather not ship if I don't have to. I have my Frd unit on CL right now, but haven't got any hits yet. PS. If i can find the 7 bolt trans, I'll be on it like white on rice... __________________ _____________________________________________ Ray* All my life, I've been told I'm a "Bad Influence"

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