Value or scrap?

[CG]

Im finally cleaning out all my extra stuff and tossing a bunch. What do you guys think about this? I have a 68 K20 bare (as in frame only, no springs etc.) frame that the front horns have been chopped off. I have a chunk of cab left with tags. I also have the build sheet and clear Washington title in my name. All of these are numbers matching for a K20 50th Anniversary truck.

Does it have any cash value other than scrap? If no real cash value its going in the cut up scrap pile where I know it has scrap price value.

[ETsC10]

Interesting subject CG.

I would think someone, who could take the effort to add what’s missing,
and actually resurrect the truck from the bare bones parts left, may be able
to own a really rare truck. With great historical value.

My own truck has only the frame, cab and rear diff. left and is still a legally
documented truck.

The effort would be great and dealing with DMV may be a major pain.
I think that you have to have a certain percentage of the truck for the
title to follow the build. What DMV considers “a major portion of the
vehicle” would be the sticky part. I can’t remember, off-hand, what %.

If the cab is still somewhat intact, repairing the frame and adding what’s
missing would give the package very good value.
…and quite doable by many of our members.

As we are aware, simply transferring frame stamp, title and pillar plate to an
already existing truck have harsh legal consequences.

Worse comes to worse, a chunk of frame, a tag and the paperwork would
make fabulous garage art!

[VA72C10]

It depends on the state because in VA they never even look at the truck...at all...ever...

I could theoretically have a truck with no vin plate, frame marking, etc....and if I have a valid va title, I can register it and drive it with no consequences until selling the vehicle to another state or if trying to claim an insurance claim possibly...

That being said...I would never do that. I prefer to stay on the right side of the law

But I personally would consider a cab swap and have completed a frame swap on a past truck and there have been countless cab and frame swaps completed (and documented) on this forum over the life of this forum.

I also know that many people over the years took the vin plates off to paint behind them and they are now installed with non-correct rivets....this is an issue in some states even though nothing on the truck may have ever been changed other than paint....and this could have been done years ago before this law was in place also...

In a state where they closely monitor these things, I wouldn't take the risk of building a vehicle only to find it wasn't sellable...

[77chris03]

same here in tx they dont even look at the truck my cab is a 69 and is titled a 68. cost me roughly 45 bucks to have it changed to my name... now to authenticate....rossett rivets is all thats needed...nobody heard that right?

[VA72C10]

Some good info Powerdriver posted up

specifically mentions in Michigan and Missouri it's illegal to swap cabs/vins or to even posess a vin tag or even rosette rivets for that matter.....

Originally Posted by powerdriver 1958

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c300-399/3010000380.htm
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c300-399/3010000390.htm
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C300-399/3010000400.HTM

Straight out of the FMVSS

Sec. 511. Altering or removing motor vehicle identification numbers


(a) A person who -

(1) knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters an
identification number for a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part;
or

(2) with intent to further the theft of a motor vehicle,
knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal
or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor
Vehicle Theft Prevention Act,
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years,
or both.
(b)(1) Subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a
removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration by a person
specified in paragraph (2) of this subsection (unless such person
knows that the vehicle or part involved is stolen).
(2) The persons referred to in paragraph (1) of this subsection
are -

(A) a motor vehicle scrap processor or a motor vehicle
demolisher who complies with applicable State law with respect to
such vehicle or part;

(B) a person who repairs such vehicle or part, if the removal,
obliteration, tampering, or alteration is reasonably necessary
for the repair;

(C) a person who restores or replaces an identification number
for such vehicle or part in accordance with applicable State law;
and

(D) a person who removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters
a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the
Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act, if that person is the owner
of the motor vehicle, or is authorized to remove, obliterate,
tamper with or alter the decal or device by -

(i) the owner or his authorized agent;

(ii) applicable State or local law; or

(iii) regulations promulgated by the Attorney General to

implement the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act.
(c) As used in this section, the term -

(1) "identification number" means a number or symbol that is
inscribed or affixed for purposes of identification under chapter
301 and part C of subtitle VI of title 49;

(2) "motor vehicle" has the meaning given that term in section
32101 of title 49;

(3) "motor vehicle demolisher" means a person, including any
motor vehicle dismantler or motor vehicle recycler, who is
engaged in the business of reducing motor vehicles or motor
vehicle parts to metallic scrap that is unsuitable for use as
either a motor vehicle or a motor vehicle part;

(4) "motor vehicle scrap processor" means a person -

(A) who is engaged in the business of purchasing motor

vehicles or motor vehicle parts for reduction to metallic scrap

for recycling;

(B) who, from a fixed location, uses machinery to process

metallic scrap into prepared grades; and

(C) whose principal product is metallic scrap for recycling;
but such term does not include any activity of any such person
relating to the recycling of a motor vehicle or a motor vehicle
part as a used motor vehicle or a used motor vehicle part.
(d) For purposes of subsection (a) of this section, the term
"tampers with" includes covering a program decal or device affixed
to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention
Act for the purpose of obstructing its visibility.

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1996 AMENDMENT
Amendment by Pub. L. 104-294 effective Sept. 13, 1994, see
section 604(d) of Pub. L. 104-294, set out as a note under section
13 of this title.
Last modified: April 13, 2006


Michigan


750.415 Concealing or misrepresenting identity of motor vehicle or mechanical device as misdemeanor or felony; evidence of violation; confiscation; sale at public auction; revocation of dealer's license; vehicle identification plate and applicable labels; motor vehicle or part with identification number removed.
Sec. 415.

(1) A person who, without the intent to mislead another as to the identity of the vehicle, conceals or misrepresents the identity of a motor vehicle or of a mechanical device by removing or defacing the manufacturer's serial number or the engine or motor number on the motor vehicle, or by replacing a part of the motor vehicle or mechanical device bearing the serial number or engine or motor number of the vehicle with a new part upon which the proper serial number or engine or motor number has not been stamped, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(2) A person who, with the intent to mislead another as to the identity of a vehicle, conceals or misrepresents the identity of a motor vehicle or of a mechanical device by removing or defacing the manufacturer's serial number or the engine or motor number on the motor vehicle, or by replacing a part of the motor vehicle or mechanical device bearing the serial number or engine or motor number of the vehicle with a new part upon which the proper serial number or engine or motor number has not been stamped, is guilty of a felony, and if the person is a licensed dealer, the dealer's license shall be revoked.

(3) In all prosecutions under this section, possession by a person of a motor vehicle or of a mechanical device with the manufacturer's serial number or the engine or motor number removed, defaced, destroyed or altered or with a part bearing the number or numbers replaced by one on which the proper number does not appear, shall be prima facie evidence of violation of this section.

(4) If the identification of a motor vehicle or a mechanical device has been removed, defaced, or altered as provided in this section and the real identity of the motor vehicle or mechanical device cannot be determined, the motor vehicle or mechanical device shall be subject to confiscation by the state and shall be sold at public auction, put to official use by the government agency seizing the vehicle, or rendered scrap. If the items are confiscated from a licensed vehicle dealer, the dealer's license shall be revoked.

(5) A person shall not knowingly possess, buy, deliver, or offer to buy, sell, exchange, or give away any manufacturer's vehicle identification number plate, federal safety certification label, antitheft label, posident die stamps, secretary of state vehicle identification label, rosette rivet, or any facsimile thereof. This subsection does not apply to a motor vehicle manufacturer, a motor vehicle parts supplier under contract with a motor vehicle manufacturer, or a law enforcement officer in the official performance of his or her duties or to a motor vehicle in which a manufacturer's vehicle identification plate and each of the applicable labels listed in this subsection have been installed as prescribed by law. A person who violates this subsection is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years, a fine of not more than $10,000.00, or both. If the person who violates this subsection is a licensed dealer or repair facility, its license shall be revoked.

(6) A person shall not buy, receive, or obtain control of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part with the intent to sell or otherwise dispose of the motor vehicle or motor vehicle part knowing that an identification number of that motor vehicle or motor vehicle part has been removed, obliterated, tampered with, or altered. This subsection does not apply to a motor vehicle obtained from or at the direction of a law enforcement agency. A person who violates this subsection is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 10 years, a fine of not more than $20,000.00, or both.

(7) As used in this section:

(a) "Antitheft label" means a label containing the vehicle identification number affixed to a motor vehicle by the manufacturer in accordance with subtitle VI of title 49 of the United States Code, 49 U.S.C. 30101 to 33118.

(b) "Federal safety certification label" means a label affixed to a motor vehicle that certifies that the motor vehicle conforms to current safety standards at the time of production and displays the vehicle identification number.

(c) "Motor vehicle" means a device in, upon, or by which a person or property is or may be transported or drawn upon a street, highway, or waterway, whether subject to or exempt from registration, except a device exclusively moved by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks.

(d) "Posident die stamps" means specially designed die stamps used by motor vehicle manufacturers to produce unique letters and numbers when stamping vehicle identification numbers upon vehicle identification plates, tags, and parts affixed to a motor vehicle.

(e) "Rosette rivet" means a special rivet designed to prevent removal or tampering with a vehicle identification number plate affixed by the manufacturer to a motor vehicle and that, when used to affix a vehicle identification number plate, forms 5 or 6 petals at the rivet head.


History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;-- CL 1948, 750.415 ;-- Am. 1978, Act 494, Eff. Dec. 13, 1978 ;-- Am. 2000, Act 217, Eff. Oct. 1, 2000

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[ETsC10]

Great post VA72C10 and most states have such laws, as does Washington.

We, as collectors, should be glad those laws exist.

[OARNGESI]

Sounds like scrap to me

[CG]

Me too ... the pile is growing lol.

[cdowns]

i save vin tags with the paperwork in a shoebox

[CG]

They are getting real picky around here when scrapping, so they may ask for the title when I toss the frame. Ill just let it go.