Anyone seen these control arms yet - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

andrewmp6 · 10-05-2011, 07:09 AM

http://michiganmetalworks.com/store/...&product_id=78 Works with a dropmember says it will lay out 33.5 od tire.

OJ1988 · 10-05-2011, 08:00 AM

Oh, ah.

Very nice. and pricey!

**lolife99** · 10-05-2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OJ1988

Oh, ah.

Very nice. and pricey!

Actually cheaper than alot of tubular a-arms.

andrewmp6 · 10-05-2011, 08:11 AM

I have seen his s10 ones in person they are heavy and his special upper ball joint he calls a jeebus joint does out flex any ball joint i have seen.Ridetechs a arms are a grand kp links are over a grand so its not that pricey next to what is out there.

OJ1988 · 10-05-2011, 10:06 AM

What material is used?

aggie91 · 10-05-2011, 11:03 AM

Those are from Jeebus. He is a member on here. Looks cool.

tubbedII · 10-05-2011, 12:52 PM

So, if they work with a DM, does that mean they won't with a stock x-mbr?

aggie91 · 10-05-2011, 01:54 PM

The upper would but the lower uses a different cross shaft. The stock cross shaft bolts to stock crossmember with u-bolts. The PB member uses something different.

**lolife99** · 10-05-2011, 02:12 PM

Here's a complete listing of the Chevy a-arms available.
http://michiganmetalworks.com/store/...ory&path=60_65

OJ1988 · 10-05-2011, 02:23 PM

Any idea on materials?

I'm guessing these are for the frame dragger and not the corner carver?

tubbedII · 10-05-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aggie91

The upper would but the lower uses a different cross shaft. The stock cross shaft bolts to stock crossmember with u-bolts. The PB member uses something different.

Makes sense why the pic doesn't have one on the lower

MADMIKE · 10-05-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OJ1988

I'm guessing these are for the frame dragger and not the corner carver?

They look neat but I would worry about those things folding up. Is there some form of triangulation I'm not seeing?

funkytechmonkey · 10-05-2011, 10:58 PM

The black ones look bedazzled.

stealthy '69 · 10-06-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MADMIKE

They look neat but I would worry about those things folding up. Is there some form of triangulation I'm not seeing?

I could be wrong, and I'm sure I am, but they look like they use a 1/2" to 3/4" plate. If you can fold those up, you're beating the crap out of them.

andrewmp6 · 10-06-2011, 12:51 AM

These are steel plate your frame would bend before this will.

MADMIKE · 10-06-2011, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stealthy '69

I could be wrong, and I'm sure I am, but they look like they use a 1/2" to 3/4" plate. If you can fold those up, you're beating the crap out of them.

HAH! I was wondering if that was a chunk of plate steel. Unsprung weight.. whats that?

*Shane* · 10-06-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by andrewmp6

These are steel plate your frame would bend before this will.

you would be surprised how easy it is to bend flat 1/2" steel plate ...

dv8customs · 10-06-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane

you would be surprised how easy it is to bend flat 1/2" steel plate ...

About 32 tons/foot on a press break...

Sounds like a lot to me

*Shane* · 10-06-2011, 04:31 PM

those are pretty bold numbers considering you don't know the tensile strength or the type of steel used.

p.s it's a press brake, not break

dv8customs · 10-06-2011, 05:21 PM

Please excuse my spelling error.

That was just a general value based on mild steel with a 60,000 psi tensile strength. The uppers he produces are 1/2" steel plate which is more than adequate as the upper arms are locating devices for the spindle and most all of the forces are tension and compression type forces. I believe his lowers are made out of 3/4" plate, and while I do not know the exact material he is using I would still commit to saying that they are adequate for the job. It will take a considerable amount of force to bend a 3/4" plate that is roughly 10" wide and 18" long.

*Shane* · 10-06-2011, 05:46 PM

even at 60,000 psi tensile strength, 1/2" plate can be bent with as little as 10 tons under the right conditions (angle & width of bend, etc).

10 tons is really NOT a lot of force when it comes to the dynamics encountered in a suspension system with 3,500 lbs. plus riding on it. I'm not saying they aren't quality components, but if their design is truly "better" then I think the OEM's (not to mention the applications in motorsports) would have been making a-arms out of flat plate long before now due to the big decrease in costs to manufacture and shortened lead-times.

No flame meant, just stating the obvious from my perspective: 1/2" flat plate with NO supporting gussets? No thanks, my safety along with my passengers and everyone else on the road is not worth the chance.

dv8customs · 10-06-2011, 06:33 PM

I will disagree, but now the OP has an opinion from both sides with which to make his decision.

Flat plate arms are not a new idea and I believe have been used in the off road market for some time now.

MADMIKE · 10-06-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dv8customs

Flat plate arms are not a new idea and I believe have been used in the off road market for some time now.

Offroad as in rock crawling or Baja 1000?

Even if the steel was stiff enough to resist bending at the airbag mount, I highly doubt those two little bushing arms can resist any bending. I would be concerned about cracks forming at the welds and on those arms. Steel is a strong material, and you can design an arm to be lightweight and have infinite strength for a given application, but these arms look to have a finite lifespan on a heavy truck. I wouldn't want to do a chuckhole test with those arms.

dv8customs · 10-06-2011, 09:27 PM

With regards to the offroad aspect I don't know first hand. I have seen it discussed previously. I debated about even mentioning it and probably shouldn't have.

At any rate, I stand by my opinion that these arms would be more than adequate on a day to day basis. There is always a scenario where something will fail and that can't always be predicted.

I plan to run these same arms on my truck and have no concerns in doing so.

scooterskoolkustoms · 10-06-2011, 09:40 PM

I like the flat plate my 2 cents I was going to get mine from this place http://www.dallashotrodparts.com/

10-05-2011, 07:09 AM	#1
andrewmp6 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 5,811	Anyone seen these control arms yet http://michiganmetalworks.com/store/...&product_id=78 Works with a dropmember says it will lay out 33.5 od tire.

10-05-2011, 08:00 AM	#2
OJ1988 Just a car guy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Washington, IN Posts: 991	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet Oh, ah. Very nice. and pricey! __________________ 1955 belair Blown Pro Street cruiser 1971 Camaro Pro Touring 1973 Vega Drag Car 1970 C20 tow rig

10-05-2011, 08:11 AM	#4
andrewmp6 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 5,811	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet I have seen his s10 ones in person they are heavy and his special upper ball joint he calls a jeebus joint does out flex any ball joint i have seen.Ridetechs a arms are a grand kp links are over a grand so its not that pricey next to what is out there.

10-05-2011, 10:06 AM	#5
OJ1988 Just a car guy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Washington, IN Posts: 991	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet What material is used? __________________ 1955 belair Blown Pro Street cruiser 1971 Camaro Pro Touring 1973 Vega Drag Car 1970 C20 tow rig

10-05-2011, 11:03 AM	#6
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10-05-2011, 12:52 PM	#7
tubbedII needs more $$$ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,936	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet So, if they work with a DM, does that mean they won't with a stock x-mbr? __________________ 1970 2wd Blazer

10-05-2011, 01:54 PM	#8
aggie91 I'm just glad to be here! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Longview, TX Posts: 4,788	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet The upper would but the lower uses a different cross shaft. The stock cross shaft bolts to stock crossmember with u-bolts. The PB member uses something different. __________________ Karl 1965 Chevy Stepside(Grandpa's Old Blue) and (July 2015 Shop Build!)(2020, the Saga Continues) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=372424 The LST Challenge: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post7812257 Korbin's 1st Square: "Sunburn" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=418618 1985 GMC Sierra: "White Trash", Korbin's 2nd now... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=632305 Henry - 1984 Chevrolet, Owen's 1st Square

10-05-2011, 02:12 PM	#9
lolife99 67-72 parts collector,… Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 22,700	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet Here's a complete listing of the Chevy a-arms available. http://michiganmetalworks.com/store/...ory&path=60_65 __________________ Keith Convert to disc brakes. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444823

10-05-2011, 02:23 PM	#10
OJ1988 Just a car guy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Washington, IN Posts: 991	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet Any idea on materials? I'm guessing these are for the frame dragger and not the corner carver? __________________ 1955 belair Blown Pro Street cruiser 1971 Camaro Pro Touring 1973 Vega Drag Car 1970 C20 tow rig

10-05-2011, 10:58 PM	#13
funkytechmonkey Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lawrenceville, GA Posts: 1,080	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet The black ones look bedazzled. __________________ Never wrenched a day in my life and now... Im doing a frame off restoration on a 1968 C10 with a Porterbuilt Dropmember, Acuair E-Level kit, Boyd Welds Gas tank and mild c-notch. Click here to view my build

10-06-2011, 12:51 AM	#15
andrewmp6 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 5,811	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet These are steel plate your frame would bend before this will.

10-06-2011, 04:31 PM	#19
Shane Account Suspended Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: over yonder Posts: 14,270	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet those are pretty bold numbers considering you don't know the tensile strength or the type of steel used. p.s it's a press brake, not break

10-06-2011, 05:21 PM	#20
dv8customs Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,047	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet Please excuse my spelling error. That was just a general value based on mild steel with a 60,000 psi tensile strength. The uppers he produces are 1/2" steel plate which is more than adequate as the upper arms are locating devices for the spindle and most all of the forces are tension and compression type forces. I believe his lowers are made out of 3/4" plate, and while I do not know the exact material he is using I would still commit to saying that they are adequate for the job. It will take a considerable amount of force to bend a 3/4" plate that is roughly 10" wide and 18" long.

10-06-2011, 05:46 PM	#21
Shane Account Suspended Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: over yonder Posts: 14,270	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet even at 60,000 psi tensile strength, 1/2" plate can be bent with as little as 10 tons under the right conditions (angle & width of bend, etc). 10 tons is really NOT a lot of force when it comes to the dynamics encountered in a suspension system with 3,500 lbs. plus riding on it. I'm not saying they aren't quality components, but if their design is truly "better" then I think the OEM's (not to mention the applications in motorsports) would have been making a-arms out of flat plate long before now due to the big decrease in costs to manufacture and shortened lead-times. No flame meant, just stating the obvious from my perspective: 1/2" flat plate with NO supporting gussets? No thanks, my safety along with my passengers and everyone else on the road is not worth the chance.

10-06-2011, 06:33 PM	#22
dv8customs Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,047	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet I will disagree, but now the OP has an opinion from both sides with which to make his decision. Flat plate arms are not a new idea and I believe have been used in the off road market for some time now.



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10-06-2011, 09:27 PM	#24
dv8customs Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,047	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet With regards to the offroad aspect I don't know first hand. I have seen it discussed previously. I debated about even mentioning it and probably shouldn't have. At any rate, I stand by my opinion that these arms would be more than adequate on a day to day basis. There is always a scenario where something will fail and that can't always be predicted. I plan to run these same arms on my truck and have no concerns in doing so.

10-06-2011, 09:40 PM	#25
scooterskoolkustoms Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: so cal Posts: 436	Re: Anyone seen these control arms yet I like the flat plate my 2 cents I was going to get mine from this place http://www.dallashotrodparts.com/ __________________ big old burb in primer.lot of work to do.

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