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**leddzepp** · 02-18-2012, 10:46 PM

I ran across a cluster today with something I have never seen before...a speedometer with a tripometer. Anyone else ever seen this? I looked it over very carefully, and it looks factory. It works too! I broke the knob off of the stem trying to remove it, but that looks easy to replace. Interesting enough, the tachometer in this cluster is for a 6 cylinder, and I have never run across one of those either.

**too much stuff** · 02-18-2012, 10:49 PM

I want to say those were a repro part by lmc or something simillar from awhile back. Pretty cool find, i don't think they were around long.
Thinking back now, i may be thinking of the extra digit on the odometer and not a trip meter. Some company made something like that. Any chance of a spid?

**leddzepp** · 02-18-2012, 11:19 PM

The mileage reads at 70K, and the condition is consistent with the rest of the gauges...it appears to me to be 40 years old. The rubber grommets used to attach the speedo to the cluster are worn out, cracked, and look like they have never been removed. The speedo needle is faded the same as the others, and although the center is not orange, the shaft of the needle is identical to the others. The hardware is original, and all in all it looks to have never been apart. I am going to pull this apart and see what I can find inside. Thanks for the input Eric! If it is a repro part, it certainly is a good one! The hatch markings are the same as any other factory speedo. The repro speedos/gauges I have seen are very easy to spot in that the hatch markings are slightly different than original.

VA72C10 · 02-18-2012, 11:24 PM

That's a cool piece and the 6cyl tachs are pretty rare too... I've had over 40 tach dashes now and not a single one was 6cyl.

Sillyoldman · 02-18-2012, 11:27 PM

I have never seen anything like that. Livrat would have the answer.

PAWS 72 · 02-18-2012, 11:28 PM

I'm going to be dumd, what do the hatch marks look like?

Livrat · 02-18-2012, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sillyoldman

I have never seen anything like that. Livrat would have the answer.

Sorry, I have bought/built/owned/parted/traded 100's of these trucks in 30 years and have never seen a speedo with a tripmeter.
Maybe its a rare "Corvette Option"?

**70shortfleet** · 02-19-2012, 01:42 AM

Show us some more pictures when you get inside. That's a neat piece and to get a 6 cyl tach along with it is a double score!

shawno72 · 02-19-2012, 02:00 AM

So when you are ready to sell the 6 cyl tach let me know

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**Dave** · 02-19-2012, 02:52 AM

I think it would be interesting to see inside the cluster, particularly the the speedo. There's a part number stamped into every speedo head. You'll know for sure then. Post some pics if you do.

sleepertruck72 · 02-19-2012, 04:33 AM

Interesting find Scott ! Now build a truck with a 6 cylinder

Hopefully you get some more info once you open it up, I'm curious to see what is the story behind this

**leddzepp** · 02-19-2012, 05:02 AM

Well, it is definitely original GM. I pulled the bezel off and the speedo head has numbers stamped into it.

MILES ASSEM. 6457897 is stamped on one side...on the other side, the lettering is super small, and to the best of my ability reads: KILO ASSEY. 6467886 (??)

The tach lens reads 6458266

The fuel gauge has BRAKE and TEMP for the warning lights

All other gauges (Temp, Oil, Batt) are original, with original part numbers stamped.

And the tach is stamped "6 CYL"

I appreciate the feedback so far, and am surprised...I was told a far-fetched backstory that is equivalent to the "corvette option" (my BS detector went off

) as noted by Livrat above and was hoping this would get cleared up. I have never seen this before and was guessing the same speedo might have been used in another GM vehicle and was swapped into this cluster??... Here are some pics, and it looks to me it has been there since day 1. The tach NEVER came into the conversation when I bought this...the PO's story was based on the speedometer being "the rarest option" and being told he would most likely never see another one like it.

**special-K** · 02-19-2012, 07:44 AM

I have never known of one. It sure appears to be original. I don't know what car would use the same speedo but that would explain it. You just don't see only one of anything original,unless it's some sort of prototype.

**Dave** · 02-19-2012, 09:45 AM

Scott,
I went thru every GM book I had and couldn't find anything on a trip odometer set-up, except speed warning option.
6457897 is 67-70, US miles
6457898 is 67-70, kilo
The face plate of the speedo would've had a different part number than 6457897, if it's real. The frame is a W series, which overlaps into other applications. IMHO, I think the frame was changed to one that had a trip reset and then using a needle from the same app. This would allow the speed cup and hair spring to be somewhat balanced. The face plate where the hole is for the odometer is distorted a bit, which would indicate a homemade press may have been used.
Unless someone has additional info, I thinking it's a really neat set-up that someone made out of GM AC Delco parts years ago.

shawno72 · 02-19-2012, 09:58 AM

I see what you are talking about the upper hole appears to be a little different than the oe stamping. Still this is a really cool piece IMO. I say clean it up, paint the needle and rock it the way it is

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Dano69c10 · 02-19-2012, 10:15 AM

Is it possible that this speedo is off a big commercial chevy rig (C-40+) ?
Boy, that there is gonna be one of those good car-show conversation starters.

**Joesjunk** · 02-19-2012, 10:18 AM

Very interesting......

**too much stuff** · 02-19-2012, 10:24 AM

So what was the truck it was in?
I think dave may be onto something. If it was original i don't think the needle would be designed to hit and stop at 95 mph. (even on a 6 cyl) Very cool find, it would look good next to my mexican cluster...

**Tim Christian** · 02-19-2012, 10:31 AM

Did it come out of a later model C-60 They used the same cabs way past 72 on the big trucks.

**Tim Christian** · 02-19-2012, 10:33 AM

Also buses ran this type dash past 72 but I have never seen one with a trip ometer either???? I will go with the Corvette option!!!!

**too much stuff** · 02-19-2012, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Christian

Did it come out of a later model C-60 They used the same cabs way past 72 on the big trucks.

Tim, the body style change also changed in 73 on the 40-60 series. Also, i have never seen this style dash in a bus. This dash just may be the corvette option...

**special-K** · 02-19-2012, 11:09 AM

This is the Corvette option.
http://images1.carpartsdiscount.com/...em_6496850.jpg
Oh,and duh...like Vettes didn't come with 6cyls? Sheeyah dude,like you're way off...even

This is what a truck with the Corvette option looks like:

budnikguy · 02-19-2012, 11:33 AM

whoa cool.....hungry for more info on this.

**70shortfleet** · 02-19-2012, 11:47 AM

Does the cut out for the speedo look a little funky? It seems like the factory would have squared off the side so you could read the numbers better. Does it look like a factory cut out up close?

richards72chevy · 02-19-2012, 12:01 PM

Somebody was good friends with gm when they got that option.Ive heard of a 69 impala with a 400 small from the factory.The 400 wasnt an option to the public until 1970.

02-18-2012, 10:46 PM	#1
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 20,012	Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. I ran across a cluster today with something I have never seen before...a speedometer with a tripometer. Anyone else ever seen this? I looked it over very carefully, and it looks factory. It works too! I broke the knob off of the stem trying to remove it, but that looks easy to replace. Interesting enough, the tachometer in this cluster is for a 6 cylinder, and I have never run across one of those either. Attached Images __________________ 1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man RIP FleetsidePaul

02-18-2012, 10:49 PM	#2
too much stuff Roadtrip! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Grand Rapids MN Posts: 13,748	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. I want to say those were a repro part by lmc or something simillar from awhile back. Pretty cool find, i don't think they were around long. Thinking back now, i may be thinking of the extra digit on the odometer and not a trip meter. Some company made something like that. Any chance of a spid? __________________ 67 gmc custom lwb dakota truck. Sold...And bought back 69 swb 4x4 project (in progress) 70 c-10 lwb texas truck 70 4x4/BB/bkts/posi/tach(retired) 70 swb (wifes) 70 jimmy camper 71 K-5 factory 2wd 71 cheyenne 4x4/tach/posi/ plow rig 71 Cheyenne20 BB, buckets, tach, tilt, 4 speed 72 jimmy CST wyoming rig 72 jimmy Colorado rig 72 lifted texas 4x4 3/4 ton burb 65 fury conv. 383/auto 65 chrysler 300 "L" 413 auto Last edited by too much stuff; 02-19-2012 at 12:41 AM.

02-18-2012, 11:19 PM	#3
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 20,012	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. The mileage reads at 70K, and the condition is consistent with the rest of the gauges...it appears to me to be 40 years old. The rubber grommets used to attach the speedo to the cluster are worn out, cracked, and look like they have never been removed. The speedo needle is faded the same as the others, and although the center is not orange, the shaft of the needle is identical to the others. The hardware is original, and all in all it looks to have never been apart. I am going to pull this apart and see what I can find inside. Thanks for the input Eric! If it is a repro part, it certainly is a good one! The hatch markings are the same as any other factory speedo. The repro speedos/gauges I have seen are very easy to spot in that the hatch markings are slightly different than original. __________________ 1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man RIP FleetsidePaul

02-18-2012, 11:24 PM	#4
VA72C10 VA72C10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midlothian, VA Posts: 25,269	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. That's a cool piece and the 6cyl tachs are pretty rare too... I've had over 40 tach dashes now and not a single one was 6cyl. __________________ Looking for a 67-72 swb or blazer project in or around VA.

02-18-2012, 11:27 PM	#5
Sillyoldman #16876 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Auburn WA Posts: 12,266	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. I have never seen anything like that. Livrat would have the answer. __________________ Posted via Stationary Device '71 Custom Deluxe C-20 402. '67 Buick Special 455. '49 Plymouth Special Deluxe. *"I love that old car smell"* *Some people are like Slinkies... not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.*

02-18-2012, 11:28 PM	#6
PAWS 72 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sheffield, ALA Posts: 2,471	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. I'm going to be dumd, what do the hatch marks look like?

02-19-2012, 01:42 AM	#8
70shortfleet Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: St.Peters, MO Posts: 2,228	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. Show us some more pictures when you get inside. That's a neat piece and to get a 6 cyl tach along with it is a double score!

02-19-2012, 02:00 AM	#9
shawno72 C/10 junkie Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Stockton Ca Posts: 9,093	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. So when you are ready to sell the 6 cyl tach let me know Posted via Mobile Device __________________ Shawn 70 LWB C10 current driver/project http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=663051 68 SWB C10 Work in progress.....SOLD http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=559520 72 LWB C10 Sold 71 LWB C10 Sold 68 LWB C10 CST Sold http://youtu.be/kbB0QrBIs9k My mom always had the best advice. It was just a tad late. After a fall that involved blood, she'd say....."Careful!"

02-19-2012, 02:52 AM	#10
Dave DND Trucks Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 2,391	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. I think it would be interesting to see inside the cluster, particularly the the speedo. There's a part number stamped into every speedo head. You'll know for sure then. Post some pics if you do.

02-19-2012, 04:33 AM	#11
sleepertruck72 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Turlock California 95380 Posts: 2,075	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. Interesting find Scott ! Now build a truck with a 6 cylinder Hopefully you get some more info once you open it up, I'm curious to see what is the story behind this __________________ 72 C20 Longbed 05 1500 Z71

02-19-2012, 05:02 AM	#12
leddzepp Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Southern Cal Posts: 20,012	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. Well, it is definitely original GM. I pulled the bezel off and the speedo head has numbers stamped into it. MILES ASSEM. 6457897 is stamped on one side...on the other side, the lettering is super small, and to the best of my ability reads: KILO ASSEY. 6467886 (??) The tach lens reads 6458266 The fuel gauge has BRAKE and TEMP for the warning lights All other gauges (Temp, Oil, Batt) are original, with original part numbers stamped. And the tach is stamped "6 CYL" I appreciate the feedback so far, and am surprised...I was told a far-fetched backstory that is equivalent to the "corvette option" (my BS detector went off ) as noted by Livrat above and was hoping this would get cleared up. I have never seen this before and was guessing the same speedo might have been used in another GM vehicle and was swapped into this cluster??... Here are some pics, and it looks to me it has been there since day 1. The tach NEVER came into the conversation when I bought this...the PO's story was based on the speedometer being "the rarest option" and being told he would most likely never see another one like it. Attached Images __________________ 1972 C/10 Cheyenne Super SWB. Restored, loaded, slammed. 1968 C/10 50th Anniversary LWB. Unrestored, stock, daily driver/work truck. RIP ElJay RIP 67ChevyRedneck RIP Grumpy Old Man RIP FleetsidePaul

02-19-2012, 07:44 AM	#13
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,858	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. I have never known of one. It sure appears to be original. I don't know what car would use the same speedo but that would explain it. You just don't see only one of anything original,unless it's some sort of prototype. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

02-19-2012, 09:45 AM	#14
Dave DND Trucks Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NW Indiana Posts: 2,391	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. Scott, I went thru every GM book I had and couldn't find anything on a trip odometer set-up, except speed warning option. 6457897 is 67-70, US miles 6457898 is 67-70, kilo The face plate of the speedo would've had a different part number than 6457897, if it's real. The frame is a W series, which overlaps into other applications. IMHO, I think the frame was changed to one that had a trip reset and then using a needle from the same app. This would allow the speed cup and hair spring to be somewhat balanced. The face plate where the hole is for the odometer is distorted a bit, which would indicate a homemade press may have been used. Unless someone has additional info, I thinking it's a really neat set-up that someone made out of GM AC Delco parts years ago.

02-19-2012, 09:58 AM	#15
shawno72 C/10 junkie Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Stockton Ca Posts: 9,093	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. I see what you are talking about the upper hole appears to be a little different than the oe stamping. Still this is a really cool piece IMO. I say clean it up, paint the needle and rock it the way it is Posted via Mobile Device __________________ Shawn 70 LWB C10 current driver/project http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=663051 68 SWB C10 Work in progress.....SOLD http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=559520 72 LWB C10 Sold 71 LWB C10 Sold 68 LWB C10 CST Sold http://youtu.be/kbB0QrBIs9k My mom always had the best advice. It was just a tad late. After a fall that involved blood, she'd say....."Careful!"

02-19-2012, 10:15 AM	#16
Dano69c10 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ontario, Kali Posts: 2,427	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. Is it possible that this speedo is off a big commercial chevy rig (C-40+) ? Boy, that there is gonna be one of those good car-show conversation starters. __________________ '69 Fleet It ain't yours, if you didn't build it!



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02-19-2012, 10:18 AM	#17
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02-19-2012, 10:24 AM	#18
too much stuff Roadtrip! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Grand Rapids MN Posts: 13,748	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. So what was the truck it was in? I think dave may be onto something. If it was original i don't think the needle would be designed to hit and stop at 95 mph. (even on a 6 cyl) Very cool find, it would look good next to my mexican cluster... __________________ 67 gmc custom lwb dakota truck. Sold...And bought back 69 swb 4x4 project (in progress) 70 c-10 lwb texas truck 70 4x4/BB/bkts/posi/tach(retired) 70 swb (wifes) 70 jimmy camper 71 K-5 factory 2wd 71 cheyenne 4x4/tach/posi/ plow rig 71 Cheyenne20 BB, buckets, tach, tilt, 4 speed 72 jimmy CST wyoming rig 72 jimmy Colorado rig 72 lifted texas 4x4 3/4 ton burb 65 fury conv. 383/auto 65 chrysler 300 "L" 413 auto

02-19-2012, 10:31 AM	#19
Tim Christian Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: TN/VA Posts: 6,388	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. Did it come out of a later model C-60 They used the same cabs way past 72 on the big trucks.

02-19-2012, 10:33 AM	#20
Tim Christian Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: TN/VA Posts: 6,388	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. Also buses ran this type dash past 72 but I have never seen one with a trip ometer either???? I will go with the Corvette option!!!!

02-19-2012, 11:09 AM	#22
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,858	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. This is the Corvette option. http://images1.carpartsdiscount.com/...em_6496850.jpg Oh,and duh...like Vettes didn't come with 6cyls? Sheeyah dude,like you're way off...even This is what a truck with the Corvette option looks like: Attached Images __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~ Last edited by special-K; 02-19-2012 at 11:14 AM.

02-19-2012, 11:33 AM	#23
budnikguy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 4,316	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. whoa cool.....hungry for more info on this.

02-19-2012, 11:47 AM	#24
70shortfleet Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: St.Peters, MO Posts: 2,228	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. Does the cut out for the speedo look a little funky? It seems like the factory would have squared off the side so you could read the numbers better. Does it look like a factory cut out up close?

02-19-2012, 12:01 PM	#25
richards72chevy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: konawa ok/oakdale Ca. Posts: 1,652	Re: Rare dash cluster?? Guru input needed. Somebody was good friends with gm when they got that option.Ive heard of a 69 impala with a 400 small from the factory.The 400 wasnt an option to the public until 1970.

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