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csdineley · 08-27-2012, 09:37 PM

Hello

I have a 87 R20 350 tbi and my stock manifolds are being a pita. So I was thinking about getting some headers. And after searching and reading for hours now. I'd thought I'd just ask. Long tube, mid length, or shorty's? Would there be any real difference in a stock 350 tbi as a daily driver?

Thanks

mopar346 · 08-27-2012, 09:54 PM

For convenience of running pipes and in my opinion a better look and performance, long tubes. I have been running Hedman Elites for the last few set due to 3/8 flange, the ball type collector, quality and accurate fit. They do cost a little more but the fit better than any I have ever installed. I use the ceramic ones and I have been very pleased.

3r!c84 · 08-27-2012, 10:12 PM

if you plan on lowering your truck more than 5 inchs up front you want to rethink long tubes. but besides that they are great. also dont cheap out and get painted ones they will burn off that paint and rust so fast. get ceramic coated ones. or jet-hot coated like i have.

csdineley · 08-27-2012, 10:31 PM

No lowering planed, and I was thinking about stainless. I guess my main concerns are fitting them and O2 sensor. The mid's I found have the o2 sensor bung, but the long tubes don't.

psycobilly77 · 08-28-2012, 01:02 AM

Long tubes will give you better sound and low end torque. As for the O2s, you can get the weld in bungs for next to nothin.

INSIDIOUS '86 · 08-28-2012, 02:07 AM

If you spend the money on long tube Doug's or Doug thorley they don't hang lower than the frame. Then you have nice ceramic covered headers that don't rub
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mopar346 · 08-28-2012, 07:16 AM

You can get collectors with the O2 bung in them for about $25 from Summt if needed.

I've never run Doug's but they have been around for 40 years so they must have something going for them.

INSIDIOUS '86 · 08-28-2012, 01:34 PM

They will also weld in bungs for you or anything custom
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RandyP · 08-28-2012, 02:35 PM

If you move the O2 sensor that far back (to the bungs) make sure to switch to a preheated sensor and save yourself some headaches.

gchemist · 08-28-2012, 05:20 PM

Chevelle headers!!

csdineley · 08-28-2012, 07:32 PM

The mid's I found look just like those Chevelle one's. So they fit well?

story · 08-28-2012, 08:58 PM

I just bought and installed some headers from O'rielly's for my 87' R10, since they never seem to have anything that fits a R10 but had some for a 86 C10 in stock I took those... Cheap ones $150 I also have a TBI 350 and there is a O2 on the drivers side... No place had a bung so we cut one of a stock Harley pipe and welded it in the drivers side header...

The air pump tubing or whatever that was running from the exhaust behind the motor was a PITA to remove but other then that it was easy.

Stock Harley pipes

Done...

story · 08-28-2012, 09:06 PM

Opps forgot something I have power steering and AC... Had to cut a piece off the bracket at the front bolt by the number 1 cyl. Hope this helps.

54Caddy · 08-28-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by INSIDIOUS '86

If you spend the money on long tube Doug's or Doug thorley they don't hang lower than the frame. Then you have nice ceramic covered headers that don't rub
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How low is your truck?? Measurment from fender to level ground would help. Looking for headers but dont have much clearance with a 26.5 tall tire and 5 inch drop in the front. Dont really like the chevelle headers due to plug wire routing was a PITA on the chevelle i just got done building.

csdineley · 08-28-2012, 11:56 PM

Stock ride height for 3/4 ton 2wd and 30" tires. No plans to lower it, so I don't think ground clearance is going to be a problem. But thanks plug wire routing is something to consider.

KQQL IT · 08-29-2012, 02:07 AM

Caddy dougs d310c. Mine tuck nice.

http://m.summitracing.com/parts/dou-d310
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54Caddy · 08-29-2012, 03:01 AM

Got some pictures KQQL IT??

KQQL IT · 08-29-2012, 11:02 AM

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INSIDIOUS '86 · 08-29-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 54Caddy

How low is your truck?? Measurment from fender to level ground would help. Looking for headers but dont have much clearance with a 26.5 tall tire and 5 inch drop in the front. Dont really like the chevelle headers due to plug wire routing was a PITA on the chevelle i just got done building.

I'm on a 6-8 drop. Still saving for Doug's long tubes with O/2 bungs but they are still out of my budget. All I know is Doug's sit about 4in higher next the frame and you need a double humP crossmember
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54Caddy · 08-29-2012, 02:26 PM

Nice, might have to snag up a pair of these headers very soon

KQQL IT · 08-29-2012, 02:55 PM

I started with a double hump...
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gchemist · 08-29-2012, 03:39 PM

You bet they fit!!

This is the lowest the headers hang!!

Smoke_Dog · 08-29-2012, 04:05 PM

Long Tube!!! I have shorties and they are always loosing the bolts!!!

08-27-2012, 09:37 PM	#1
csdineley Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Morgantown, Wv Posts: 294	Headers ?? Hello I have a 87 R20 350 tbi and my stock manifolds are being a pita. So I was thinking about getting some headers. And after searching and reading for hours now. I'd thought I'd just ask. Long tube, mid length, or shorty's? Would there be any real difference in a stock 350 tbi as a daily driver? Thanks

08-27-2012, 09:54 PM	#2
mopar346 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Quincy, FL Posts: 533	Re: Headers ?? For convenience of running pipes and in my opinion a better look and performance, long tubes. I have been running Hedman Elites for the last few set due to 3/8 flange, the ball type collector, quality and accurate fit. They do cost a little more but the fit better than any I have ever installed. I use the ceramic ones and I have been very pleased.

08-27-2012, 10:12 PM	#3
3r!c84 Badass Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: lox. fl Posts: 4,586	Re: Headers ?? if you plan on lowering your truck more than 5 inchs up front you want to rethink long tubes. but besides that they are great. also dont cheap out and get painted ones they will burn off that paint and rust so fast. get ceramic coated ones. or jet-hot coated like i have. __________________ Think outside the box? -84c10 (1stcar)→My Build← -00 Saturn 5spd drop a gear and disappear! 1/4:13:90

08-27-2012, 10:31 PM	#4
csdineley Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Morgantown, Wv Posts: 294	Re: Headers ?? No lowering planed, and I was thinking about stainless. I guess my main concerns are fitting them and O2 sensor. The mid's I found have the o2 sensor bung, but the long tubes don't.

08-28-2012, 01:02 AM	#5
psycobilly77 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Yorktown Indiana Posts: 20	Re: Headers ?? Long tubes will give you better sound and low end torque. As for the O2s, you can get the weld in bungs for next to nothin. __________________ 1977 Scottsdale shortbed stepside 4x4. 350, 4spd, NP205. 10 bolt front, 12 bolt rear 4"(?) lift and 35s.

08-28-2012, 02:07 AM	#6
INSIDIOUS '86 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: washington Posts: 4,178	Re: Headers ?? If you spend the money on long tube Doug's or Doug thorley they don't hang lower than the frame. Then you have nice ceramic covered headers that don't rub Posted via Mobile Device __________________ 377 sbc thumpr cam autogear m23 muncie 3:73 Detroit trutrac 3''spintech prostreet mufflers xpipe 1 3/4 headers build thread !http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=577217 Iroc gauge threadhttp://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=554511

08-28-2012, 07:16 AM	#7
mopar346 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Quincy, FL Posts: 533	Re: Headers ?? You can get collectors with the O2 bung in them for about $25 from Summt if needed. I've never run Doug's but they have been around for 40 years so they must have something going for them.

08-28-2012, 01:34 PM	#8
INSIDIOUS '86 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: washington Posts: 4,178	Re: Headers ?? They will also weld in bungs for you or anything custom Posted via Mobile Device __________________ 377 sbc thumpr cam autogear m23 muncie 3:73 Detroit trutrac 3''spintech prostreet mufflers xpipe 1 3/4 headers build thread !http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=577217 Iroc gauge threadhttp://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=554511

08-28-2012, 02:35 PM	#9
RandyP Getting Old; Going Broke Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Owasso OK Posts: 2,764	Re: Headers ?? If you move the O2 sensor that far back (to the bungs) make sure to switch to a preheated sensor and save yourself some headaches. __________________ *Why is every used 350 sbc out of a corvette?* There's only two things that excite a man, expensive toys and real expensive toys. *VEGETARIAN: That's an old Indian word meaning "I don't hunt so good."* When the going gets tough, switch to power tools.

08-28-2012, 05:20 PM	#10
gchemist BAD BOW-Silverado XST Join Date: May 2000 Location: Senior Member from Austin, TX Posts: 6,431	Re: Headers ?? Chevelle headers!! __________________ Gerardo a.k.a. Mad Chemist Silverado XST videos

08-28-2012, 07:32 PM	#11
csdineley Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Morgantown, Wv Posts: 294	Re: Headers ?? The mid's I found look just like those Chevelle one's. So they fit well?

08-28-2012, 08:58 PM	#12
story Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 63	Re: Headers ?? I just bought and installed some headers from O'rielly's for my 87' R10, since they never seem to have anything that fits a R10 but had some for a 86 C10 in stock I took those... Cheap ones $150 I also have a TBI 350 and there is a O2 on the drivers side... No place had a bung so we cut one of a stock Harley pipe and welded it in the drivers side header... The air pump tubing or whatever that was running from the exhaust behind the motor was a PITA to remove but other then that it was easy. Stock Harley pipes Done...

08-28-2012, 09:06 PM	#13
story Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 63	Re: Headers ?? Opps forgot something I have power steering and AC... Had to cut a piece off the bracket at the front bolt by the number 1 cyl. Hope this helps.

08-28-2012, 11:56 PM	#15
csdineley Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Morgantown, Wv Posts: 294	Re: Headers ?? Stock ride height for 3/4 ton 2wd and 30" tires. No plans to lower it, so I don't think ground clearance is going to be a problem. But thanks plug wire routing is something to consider.

08-29-2012, 02:07 AM	#16
KQQL IT At the body shop. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Land of fruits and nuts. Posts: 5,260	Re: Headers ?? Caddy dougs d310c. Mine tuck nice. http://m.summitracing.com/parts/dou-d310 Posted via Mobile Device __________________ " That didnt make it any newer " " Dont antique the equipment "



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08-29-2012, 03:01 AM	#17
54Caddy GM Addicted Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Visalia, Ca Posts: 2,294	Re: Headers ?? Got some pictures KQQL IT?? __________________ ..Mac’s Garage.. 73 GMC, 54 Caddy, 2010 Silverado, 68 C10 RIP DAd My 73 GMC Truck Build Pic 2010 Silverado 4/6 on 24s IG:MacsGarage

08-29-2012, 11:02 AM	#18
KQQL IT At the body shop. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Land of fruits and nuts. Posts: 5,260	Re: Headers ?? Posted via Mobile Device __________________ " That didnt make it any newer " " Dont antique the equipment "

08-29-2012, 02:26 PM	#20
54Caddy GM Addicted Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Visalia, Ca Posts: 2,294	Re: Headers ?? Nice, might have to snag up a pair of these headers very soon __________________ ..Mac’s Garage.. 73 GMC, 54 Caddy, 2010 Silverado, 68 C10 RIP DAd My 73 GMC Truck Build Pic 2010 Silverado 4/6 on 24s IG:MacsGarage

08-29-2012, 02:55 PM	#21
KQQL IT At the body shop. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Land of fruits and nuts. Posts: 5,260	Re: Headers ?? I started with a double hump... Posted via Mobile Device __________________ " That didnt make it any newer " " Dont antique the equipment "

08-29-2012, 03:39 PM	#22
gchemist BAD BOW-Silverado XST Join Date: May 2000 Location: Senior Member from Austin, TX Posts: 6,431	Re: Headers ?? You bet they fit!! This is the lowest the headers hang!! __________________ Gerardo a.k.a. Mad Chemist Silverado XST videos

08-29-2012, 04:05 PM	#23
Smoke_Dog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hickory, NC native, but stuck in Valdosta, Ga Posts: 615	Re: Headers ?? Long Tube!!! I have shorties and they are always loosing the bolts!!!

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