6 lug disc brake conv. now wheels don't fit!!

[Hawssie]

Well after reading here and other places like the Early Classics site and placing a thread or two, about whether to use the 6 lug or 5 lug disc rotors for a brake conversion, I thought I had all the info I needed. Heck I thought I was beating a dead horse to tell the truth. I kept going round and round whether I should do the 5 or 6 lug. The 5 lug used factory and much cheaper rotors and had much better rim selection but you had to immediately buy new rims and do the rear end. I decided to go 6 lug so I didn't have to mess with the rims and tires or change the rear axles. I did this mainly because I don't have the money to buy new rims and tires right now. I mean isn't that the point of using them in the first place! Well nothing ever came up about the fact that now the factory wheels wont work! Thats a big deal when your pinching pennies! Much bigger deal to me then the rear axle work. Of course I never thought to ask either but now I am really screwed, well at least for a month or two. Live and learn!

[Hardesty454]

Pictures and more info may help. I a set of steelies from the old drum set up and they dont work on my discs either. I have a set of 20's that work for sell if you are looking.

BTW, if you have the stock steelies for drums, they will work with wheel spacers.

[Hawssie]

I was just venting! I feel better now! I thought about spacers( I do not like much but it could get me through a pinch) How much spacer do you think I need?

[Hardesty454]

Originally Posted by Hawssie

I was just venting! I feel better now! I thought about spacers( I do not like much but it could get me through a pinch) How much spacer do you think I need?

Not sure, not very big I'd think.
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[jocko]

You do not need spacers, you need 71-87 K5 or K10 wheels. They are 6 lug and they are shaped to clear disk brake calipers. Pre-71 stock steelies will not fit over the caliper due to inner wheel profile.

[68shortfleet]

Hmmm, quite interesting that your wheels do not fit.

Just a few days ago in your own thread, you were warned about this problem.

Just read post #6
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=578979

[ecgate]

Originally Posted by jocko

You do not need spacers, you need 71-87 K5 or K10 wheels. They are 6 lug and they are shaped to clear disk brake calipers. Pre-71 stock steelies will not fit over the caliper due to inner wheel profile.

Yes sir you are correct. That is what I have on my 6 lug disc set up and they fit like a glove. You don't really have any other option unless you buy after market stuff.

[Hawssie]

Your right! I was warned! Shouldn't have been a surprised. I didn't read that last thread response carefully enough. My bad for sure. I figured do I have a 72 Blazer(thanks for the idea) sitting around waiting for resto so I will "borrow" those rims for the time being. Thanks 68 short for making me look like a fool!

[Lattimer]

Thats why I'm keeping my drums

[PanelDeland]

I got $125 in a set of rallies.They wrk well but I'm on the lookout for a set of steelies 7" to put on the front and 8" rear.I figure I can run my trim rings and I would like to run some dog dish type caps.I've also seen where the interference wa very slight and some have ground just a little off a caliper to make them fit.

[72freak]

You can find a set of stock 72+ steel wheels for $50 every day of the week. Find a small shop with a tire machine and a 12 pack will get them swapped over.

[jocko]

Originally Posted by 72freak

You can find a set of stock 72+ steel wheels for $50 every day of the week. Find a small shop with a tire machine and a 12 pack will get them swapped over.

It's not "just" 72+ wheels - they have to be K10 or K5 because all non-4wd 1/2 tonners switched to 5 lug in 71 and all 3/4 tonners are 8 lug. So, it's only K10/K5 wheels that have the original steelie look, fit over the calipers, and still have the correct 6 lug pattern for a pre-71 truck. They aren't impossible to find, but they are far from common. If you find a full set (of 5, don't forget you'll need a spare for the front too...) for $50 then buy them and sell them for $150. Or better yet, pm me 1st... (just kidding, I have a few, but not selling any at the moment). They are also extremely popular with the 60-66 crowd - the only wheel to use for disk swaps with 6 lug if you want a true steelie.

[lolife99]

Originally Posted by jocko

It's not "just" 72+ wheels - they have to be K10 or K5 because all non-4wd 1/2 tonners switched to 5 lug in 71 and all 3/4 tonners are 8 lug. So, it's only K10/K5 wheels that have the original steelie look, fit over the calipers, and still have the correct 6 lug pattern for a pre-71 truck. They aren't impossible to find, but they are far from common. If you find a full set (of 5, don't forget you'll need a spare for the front too...) for $50 then buy them and sell them for $150. Or better yet, pm me 1st... (just kidding, I have a few, but not selling any at the moment). They are also extremely popular with the 60-66 crowd - the only wheel to use for disk swaps with 6 lug if you want a true steelie.

I wish someone would verify that these work with disc brakes.
They are cheap!
And powdercoated.
http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/..._p/vts-545.htm

Quote:
This great old-style 15" trailer has nubs to fit our cone (VTS-374) style hubcaps.
The wheel is 6" wide and has a 3.65" pilot diameter. It does not have an offset. It is rated to 2600 pounds @ 75psi.

6 bolts on 5.5" bolt circle diameter.

Black powdercoat is standard and is a true vintage look. Simple gray e-coat primer is an option if you are planning to paint them anyway. Please expect minor scratches in transit.

We sell two hubcaps that fit this wheel: Our cone style (VTS-374) and our canned ham style (VTS-694)

[Bhelton]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I wish someone would verify that these work with disc brakes.
They are cheap!
And powdercoated.
http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/..._p/vts-545.htm

Quote:
This great old-style 15" trailer has nubs to fit our cone (VTS-374) style hubcaps.
The wheel is 6" wide and has a 3.65" pilot diameter. It does not have an offset. It is rated to 2600 pounds @ 75psi.

6 bolts on 5.5" bolt circle diameter.

Black powdercoat is standard and is a true vintage look. Simple gray e-coat primer is an option if you are planning to paint them anyway. Please expect minor scratches in transit.

We sell two hubcaps that fit this wheel: Our cone style (VTS-374) and our canned ham style (VTS-694)

I'm going by a place in the am that sells those style wheels in a 15x7 and a 8. If someone can get some measurements I can check and possibly pick a set up
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[Bhelton]

They may even offer a 15x6
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[67swb72klb]

Originally Posted by PanelDeland

I've also seen where the interference wa very slight and some have ground just a little off a caliper to make them fit.

i have done this years ago to fit a set of 8 inch wheels and it did not take much to get the clearance to make them work

[72freak]

Originally Posted by jocko

It's not "just" 72+ wheels - they have to be K10 or K5 because all non-4wd 1/2 tonners switched to 5 lug in 71 and all 3/4 tonners are 8 lug. So, it's only K10/K5 wheels that have the original steelie look, fit over the calipers, and still have the correct 6 lug pattern for a pre-71 truck. They aren't impossible to find, but they are far from common. If you find a full set (of 5, don't forget you'll need a spare for the front too...) for $50 then buy them and sell them for $150. Or better yet, pm me 1st... (just kidding, I have a few, but not selling any at the moment). They are also extremely popular with the 60-66 crowd - the only wheel to use for disk swaps with 6 lug if you want a true steelie.

Yea...its good to clarify! I new we were talking about 6 lug and should have been mmore clear that a 4x4 would need to be the target.

[jocko]

Originally Posted by lolife99

I wish someone would verify that these work with disc brakes.
They are cheap!
And powdercoated.
http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/..._p/vts-545.htm

Quote:
This great old-style 15" trailer has nubs to fit our cone (VTS-374) style hubcaps.
The wheel is 6" wide and has a 3.65" pilot diameter. It does not have an offset. It is rated to 2600 pounds @ 75psi.

6 bolts on 5.5" bolt circle diameter.

Black powdercoat is standard and is a true vintage look. Simple gray e-coat primer is an option if you are planning to paint them anyway. Please expect minor scratches in transit.

We sell two hubcaps that fit this wheel: Our cone style (VTS-374) and our canned ham style (VTS-694)

That's a great question Keith - wow, if only I would've found those when I was workin on my 66! They "look" about right - i.e. the profile of the inner wheel is somewhat stepped - not an angular taper (down into the caliper) like pre-71 wheels. For some reason, I'd be leary about putting a trailer wheel on a truck - but I think that harkens back to my formerly failed attempt at putting a trailer TIRE on a truck, glad someone squared me away before I got very far with that idea... The stats listed in your link seem like they'd be fine for a 1/2 ton truck. Since they are trailer wheels, no way to know if the design "just happens" to fit over a caliper - probably not specifically designed for it, but ya might get lucky. If they DO fit, the 60-66 crowd (self-included) will snatch em all up in a heartbeat. You 67-70 guys are gonna have to bum rush em.

[special-K]

I think anyone with a 6-lug truck would know they can't use 5-lug or 8-lug wheels. It goes without saying that '71-newer 4wd wheels are what they seek. Didn't mention GM either,but I think we're covered
Too bad you're so far away,Hawssie,I have some nice 6-lug wheels from disc brake 4wds.

[jbear]

You have two other options for 6 lug steel wheels that fit over disc brake calipers. Toyota pick-ups (excluding the Tundra) are 6 on 5.5, but have a larger diameter center hole than GM products. The other, and I think better, option are Isuzu SUVs, including the older Honda Passport. They are also 6 on 5.5 but have the correct size center hole.
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[jbear]

Almost forgot, if you don't want to use the 70s 15x7 K10/K5 disc brake wheels, and don't like the look of the 80s 15x8 K10/K5 wheels, I know one other low buck option. M1009 CUCV Blazers had plain 15x8s that IIRC even had the lumps to accept dog-dish hubcaps. Obviously, it's got to be the M1009 Blazer, the M1008 pick-up (& variants like the M1028) all use 16" wheels with an 8 on 6.5 pattern.
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[special-K]

The widest traditional 15" steel wheels that came on 72-91 K/10s were 6",unless you went to the wide 8" like on M1009s available on later-70s trucks.

[70blackfish]

I had the same problem.....PICO wheel in CA, cut my centers out and installed new outer shells...150.00 for the pair. and you can go with 6 7 or 8 wide....