67 C20 split rim/hub cap question

[nobolt]

will dog dish caps (67 C20) mount on ANY other wheels? or split rims only?
thanks guys!

[nobolt]

my searches turn up WAY to much info....so I haven't found anything.
somebody must have a thread on this?

[Mr Chevorlet]

Yes they will as long as you get wheels with three or four nubs on them for the hubcap to press on

[special-K]

They'll fit any pre-69 GM 8-lug single wheel in any diameter and any type of bead. Any earlier hubcap will also fit through '67. I don't think there were ant 16" clinchers made till the outer nubs were in use...post-72

[nobolt]

cool, thanks! I was told they only fit 16.5" split rims and I found a few photos but can't see the wheel type very well.
i'm not sure I am going to buy the caps yet (a wee bit pricey) but the chrome ones are getting few and far between.

[special-K]

Actually,16.5s were clinchers and 16s were split rim. I've never seen 16.5 split rims

[factorystock]

Originally Posted by nobolt

will dog dish caps (67 C20) mount on ANY other wheels? or split rims only?
thanks guys!

This question comes up often. Most people want to run 16" one piece wheels on C 20's. Problem is GM never manufactured 16" one piece wheels with necessary wheel clips. GM did manufacture 16" 2 piece rims with necessary wheels clips, but most people don't want to use 2 piece rims. So, owners of 20 years worth of 3/4 tons and 1 tons (1948 thru 1968) are forced to run hard to find one piece wheeel tire sizes if they want to run original hubcaps on these vehicles. All these 16.5. 17.5 and 19.5 one piece wheels with clips are hard to find. Installing old clips off these rims and installing them on modern 16" wheels is also a possibility. I personally am looking at some late model Ford Econoline 16' wheels( 2006 and up only). Believe it or not, these wheels have no typical bumps on them, they are designed for full wheel covers only. THey may be the perfect candidate for adding clips.

[special-K]

Aren't those later Econoline wheels metric lug pattern? I believe the clips are sold and someone could take on the painstaking task of properly locating them. I'm thinking the other issue would be the early clip style hubcaps are 10 1/2",just like 1/2t,and that may present another issue. i'm thinking maybe there are aftermarket wheels made in 16" with clips.It seems to me I've run across those before.

[Sicklajoie]

Originally Posted by special-K

Aren't those later Econoline wheels metric lug pattern?

The Econoline van wheels have luckily stayed with the 8 x 6.5 bolt pattern this whole time.

[special-K]

Ok,I've only dealt with the hubcap style and those went metric. Those must be pickups-only after '96 and that's when Vans went to wheelcovers(?). I wouldn't know. We're talking Ford here

[factorystock]

Originally Posted by special-K

i'm thinking maybe there are aftermarket wheels made in 16" with clips.It seems to me I've run across those before.

These must be the wheels, 16.5" 8 lug wheels with clips introduced by the aftermarket around 1963, 4 years before GM offered them as a standard option. This is what needs to happen today, the aftermarket should offer a 16" 8 lug wheel, with the exact same offset as original wheels, with clips. They seem to offer 1000's of mag wheels for the street rod community, why not offer this wheel for the stock community? It will benefit 20 years of 3/4 ton and 1 ton pickup owners ( 1948 thru 1968 ), which translates into 1,000's of owners. Right now we are own are own, so for 16" wheels, the Econoline wheels with the addition of clips may be the best choice out there, the only modern stock looking 16" wheel without the unsightly bumps.

[special-K]

I'm thinking I did see ones that are made now. I wish I had more info. You're right,someone should make the stock replacements. Makes too much sense,although Wheel Vintiques did finally catch on to making "most" OEM-type wheels. Even with custom wheels,it seems when a nice looking wheel comes out they discontinue it to put out 5 more that are just plain dumb looking. I guess they figure the market is just plane dumb,and probably right,cuz they are being bought.

[factorystock]

Here is the late model Ford Econoline wheel, with NO BUMPS! THe challenge is to add the clips.

[nobolt]

those Ferd wheels look good...can the clips be bought? or do they have to be scrounged up at a wrecking yard?

[factorystock]

Here is a '63 3/4 ton hubcap ( the same 8 3/4" back opening as 67-68 3/4 ton hubcaps) just sitting loose on the wheel. The experiment will begin soon.

[nobolt]

I did a search on car-part.com for 2007 ford van wheels with pics and they have the bumps...probably a generic foto though.
the search came up with wheels as old as '93 also

[Chrome8]

You guys sound like you know more about wheels than I do. I have wide rear wheels and stock fronts in 16.5 2 piece split rims. If I'm understanding your posts correctly there is no such thing as a 16.5 1 piece skinny stock wheel? I would like to run the caps that I have on the truck. I have 4 16.5 8 lug with lock rings off another truck but I don't want to run lock rings. I'm assuming that no one out there is going to want to buy those right? Everyone is looking for the 1 piece right?

[nobolt]

I don't know much about wheels...but many here do. someone will chime in.

I have 4 16.5 8 lug with lock rings off another truck

what year truck? do you have pics?

[special-K]

I believe Brothers sells the hubcap clips?

Originally Posted by Chrome8

You guys sound like you know more about wheels than I do. I have wide rear wheels and stock fronts in 16.5 2 piece split rims. If I'm understanding your posts correctly there is no such thing as a 16.5 1 piece skinny stock wheel? I would like to run the caps that I have on the truck. I have 4 16.5 8 lug with lock rings off another truck but I don't want to run lock rings. I'm assuming that no one out there is going to want to buy those right? Everyone is looking for the 1 piece right?

You have split rim 16.5s on front?? I don't think I've ever seen those. All I know about are 1pc 16.5s. They are 6.5" and look like those late Ford wheels when installed (those Ford wheels are 7")

[Shaky]

I saved the clips from my split wheels and plan to put them on newer wheels some day.

[nobolt]

Brothers carries the clips for 47-63....but I don't think that would make any difference to the hub cap. LOL

[Daddy Brim]

Originally Posted by factorystock

Here is a '63 3/4 ton hubcap ( the same 8 3/4" back opening as 67-68 3/4 ton hubcaps) just sitting loose on the wheel. The experiment will begin soon.

Please make like a build thread on this. I'm wanting to do the same thing.

[eagleuh1]

I knew I shouldn't have hauled those split rims to the dump. guess I'll order the clips from Brothers.

[Chrome8]

Originally Posted by special-K

I believe Brothers sells the hubcap clips?



You have split rim 16.5s on front?? I don't think I've ever seen those. All I know about are 1pc 16.5s. They are 6.5" and look like those late Ford wheels when installed (those Ford wheels are 7")

I was mistaken about the 16.5's on the front. They are 16's and you are right. I would like 1 piece wheels and 16.5's would be ok, the tires are about 31's I think.

Originally Posted by eagleuh1

I knew I shouldn't have hauled those split rims to the dump. guess I'll order the clips from Brothers.

I have 4 Lock ring wheels that are off my 69 if that helps you. I need to get them out of the back of it at some point. This pic is of the worst looking one, they should all clean up fine. Much more white on the others, they just were less accessible for pics.

Originally Posted by nobolt

I don't know much about wheels...but many here do. someone will chime in.


what year truck? do you have pics?

I posted a pick for ya 69 K20.



I posted a pic of one of the 69 lock ring rims I have and 2 pics of the single wheel that I threw in the bed 8 years ago. It is a 16.5 1 piece and I added another pic of the stamp that's on it. I hope this is the right wheel, if anyone can chime in that would be helpful. Thanks

[factorystock]

Originally Posted by nobolt

I did a search on car-part.com for 2007 ford van wheels with pics and they have the bumps...probably a generic foto though.
the search came up with wheels as old as '93 also

These new bumpless Econonline wheels came out in 2006. Here is a link to the job of installing clips on modern wheels that I found. http://www.laroke.com/larryk4674/smo...er/hubcaps.htm