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theredmeadow · 12-09-2013, 09:04 PM

So I have 70 longbed C10 with a 350 stock. Would it be possible to use an impact wrench to remove and reinstall the harmonic balancer without having to remove the oilpan or transmission?

**chiefcfd** · 12-09-2013, 09:40 PM

Yes, the balancer goes into the timing cover. You will need a puller for the balancer. I would replace the seal in the cover.

Longhorn 70 · 12-09-2013, 09:44 PM

You shouldn't have to pull the Trans or pan. An impact will work. Or just stop the engine from turning whilst you loosen the bolt with a breaker. This can be done by using a screwdriver through a hole in the flex plate or balance YES! Puller, seal, patience.

Sammy · 12-09-2013, 10:30 PM

Making a deposit and using the rental tool program at Autozone for free why not use the right tool?

LONGHAIR · 12-09-2013, 10:34 PM

You can use it to remove the bolt that holds it on, but that's just the start.
You need a puller to get it off and an installer to push it back on. These can be "borrowed" from many autoparts stores.
Don't try to put it back on with the original bolt. First of all it will be too short to reach or only catch by a few threads, likely stripping the threads.

theredmeadow · 12-09-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn 70

You shouldn't have to pull the Trans or pan. An impact will work. Or just stop the engine from turning whilst you loosen the bolt with a breaker. This can be done by using a screwdriver through a hole in the flex plate or balance YES! Puller, seal, patience.

And just so I understand, the impact will allow me to push the balancer back on without having to stop the engine from turning via wedging an object somewhere?

also, would this be ok to replace it?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/rn...FQISMwod3FcAwA

can you link me the seal you're talking about? I'm no mechanic so any info i can get is much appreciated.

Longhorn 70 · 12-09-2013, 10:40 PM

I would use a rachet to tighten, then torque wrench to spec to put it back on.

**TBONE1964** · 12-09-2013, 10:41 PM

Get the correct puller and installer for this job. I attached a photo of the seal kit. You can buy the seal separate from the kit for under $10.00 anywhere.

If you are not familiar with this task, I would NOT use air tools to perform the job.

theredmeadow · 12-09-2013, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Longhorn 70

I would use a rachet to tighten, then torque wrench to spec to put it back on.

ok cool thanks. Ok I understand I'll need the puller to get it off and a tool to push it back on. I saw a video where the guy used the tool to push it back on but he mentioned that if you dont stop the engine from turning that the balancer will just spin in place.

**TBONE1964** · 12-09-2013, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by theredmeadow

ok cool thanks. Ok I understand I'll need the puller to get it off and a tool to push it back on. I saw a video where the guy used the tool to push it back on but he mentioned that if you dont stop the engine from turning that the balancer will just spin in place.

If that is the case and it is very possible, then all you need to do is clamp a pair of vise gripes on the flywheel/flex plate and that will prevent the crank from spinning all the way around.

mmiddle · 12-09-2013, 11:49 PM

DO NOT use the retaining bolt to push the balancer back on!!!!!!!! If you do you will be removing the balancer again to Heli-coil the crank. Use a new bolt and anti-seize, they are cheap.

cdowns · 12-10-2013, 09:14 AM

why do you think there is a need to remove your balancer?

67ChevyRedneck · 12-10-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mmiddle

DO NOT use the retaining bolt to push the balancer back on!!!!!!!! If you do you will be removing the balancer again to Heli-coil the crank. Use a new bolt and anti-seize, they are cheap.

+1... from experience...

Yes, why do you think it's bad? Vibration? Seal leaking like crazy?

theredmeadow · 12-10-2013, 11:25 AM

yes vibration from the engine, it starts around 45 and really vibrates after that.

67ChevyRedneck · 12-10-2013, 11:27 AM

That might not be the motor. Can you replicate it with the truck in park or Neutral?

Do you have a timing light? If you know about where the timing should be at idle (should be somewhere around 8 to 12* BTDC), if it's moved a lot that could mean the outer ring on the balancer has slipped and is causing the vibration.

theredmeadow · 12-10-2013, 11:49 AM

actually I haven't checked to see if it vibrates in neutral or park. I will check that, if it doesn't I'm assuming we may be looking at maybe unbalanced drive shaft?

67ChevyRedneck · 12-10-2013, 12:06 PM

Or bad u joints.

**LockDoc** · 12-10-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 67ChevyRedneck

Or bad u joints.

Or center carrier bearing if it has a two piece drive shaft. You can visually check the carrier or try pushing the whole drive shaft up and down in the center...

LockDoc

Chris Binnett · 12-10-2013, 03:33 PM

Use the tool from O'rieleys/Autozone, but slap grease all over the threads and the bearing on the front, as well as the inside of the new HB. There is no need to wedge the motor if you have two wrenches. One goes on the end of the threded rod to keep it from spinning and the other one turns and pushes the balancer on. That guy in the "Toolbox" video on youtube had a WAY tougher time than I did.

Grease and oil EVERYTHING and stop the motor from spinning with a second wrench...easy!

C

Longhorn 70 · 12-10-2013, 04:02 PM

Could also be motor mounts...

old Chevy guy · 12-10-2013, 05:10 PM

If it does it in neutral it could be a tire . Or like the guys said u joints. my box truck picked up a wicked vibration and it was the center joint. Started around forty and got worse the faster it went.

12-09-2013, 09:04 PM	#1
theredmeadow Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 129	harmonic balancer replacement So I have 70 longbed C10 with a 350 stock. Would it be possible to use an impact wrench to remove and reinstall the harmonic balancer without having to remove the oilpan or transmission?

12-09-2013, 09:40 PM	#2
chiefcfd Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Cadiz, Ky Posts: 512	Re: harmonic balancer replacement Yes, the balancer goes into the timing cover. You will need a puller for the balancer. I would replace the seal in the cover. __________________ 1972 Chevy LWB Roadster 1999 Chevy Silverado 2wd 2015 Chevy High Country 4x4 Crew Cab

12-09-2013, 09:44 PM	#3
Longhorn 70 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Chandler AZ Posts: 1,149	Re: harmonic balancer replacement You shouldn't have to pull the Trans or pan. An impact will work. Or just stop the engine from turning whilst you loosen the bolt with a breaker. This can be done by using a screwdriver through a hole in the flex plate or balance YES! Puller, seal, patience. __________________ 1970 Longhorn, Front Disc, 350/4 bolt, 882 heads, HEI, Edelbrock, 700R4, HO-52/4.11. 1996 Corvette, Collector Roadster, LT4, 396, 450RWHP, 6sp, 4.11/Dana44/posi 5 point roll bar And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. Gal 6:9

12-09-2013, 10:30 PM	#4
Sammy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bonne Terre, Mo Posts: 3,005	Re: harmonic balancer replacement Making a deposit and using the rental tool program at Autozone for free why not use the right tool? __________________ '69 Chevy Long Fleet & '71 GMC Short Step & Project "ODD BALL" "You can wash a pig, soak it in most expensive perfume. In the end it is still just a pig." ODD BALL build thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=478629"

12-09-2013, 10:40 PM	#7
Longhorn 70 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Chandler AZ Posts: 1,149	Re: harmonic balancer replacement I would use a rachet to tighten, then torque wrench to spec to put it back on. __________________ 1970 Longhorn, Front Disc, 350/4 bolt, 882 heads, HEI, Edelbrock, 700R4, HO-52/4.11. 1996 Corvette, Collector Roadster, LT4, 396, 450RWHP, 6sp, 4.11/Dana44/posi 5 point roll bar And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. Gal 6:9

12-09-2013, 10:41 PM	#8
TBONE1964 Cluster King Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Junction City, OR Posts: 5,263	Re: harmonic balancer replacement Get the correct puller and installer for this job. I attached a photo of the seal kit. You can buy the seal separate from the kit for under $10.00 anywhere. If you are not familiar with this task, I would NOT use air tools to perform the job. Attached Images __________________ Contact me on all of your gauge cluster needs. I specialize in restoration, repair and parts sales for 67-72 Chevy and GMC trucks. email me at tbonegarris@yahoo.com I am also a dealer for Counterpart for gauge cluster parts only. Also see my facebook page, CG&C

12-09-2013, 11:49 PM	#11
mmiddle Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Forestburg, Texas Posts: 659	Re: harmonic balancer replacement DO NOT use the retaining bolt to push the balancer back on!!!!!!!! If you do you will be removing the balancer again to Heli-coil the crank. Use a new bolt and anti-seize, they are cheap. __________________ Mark Jesus is the Way! 2003 2500HD CCLB Duramax/Ali (Clifford) 2014 2SS/RS black on black Camaro (Betty) 2006 Pontiac SOLSTICE silver/black (Lula-Bell) 1970 C/10 Short Wide (Peggy) 1964 C/10 Short Step (Hambone) RIP Jimmy Hamilton Thank you for the trucks

12-10-2013, 09:14 AM	#12
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: harmonic balancer replacement why do you think there is a need to remove your balancer? __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

12-10-2013, 11:25 AM	#14
theredmeadow Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 129	Re: harmonic balancer replacement yes vibration from the engine, it starts around 45 and really vibrates after that.

12-10-2013, 11:27 AM	#15
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: harmonic balancer replacement That might not be the motor. Can you replicate it with the truck in park or Neutral? Do you have a timing light? If you know about where the timing should be at idle (should be somewhere around 8 to 12* BTDC), if it's moved a lot that could mean the outer ring on the balancer has slipped and is causing the vibration. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

12-10-2013, 11:49 AM	#16
theredmeadow Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 129	Re: harmonic balancer replacement actually I haven't checked to see if it vibrates in neutral or park. I will check that, if it doesn't I'm assuming we may be looking at maybe unbalanced drive shaft?

12-10-2013, 12:06 PM	#17
67ChevyRedneck Hittin E-Z Street on Mud Tires Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 23,090	Re: harmonic balancer replacement Or bad u joints. __________________ Jesse James 1967 C10 SWB Stepside: 350/700R4/3.73 1965 Ford Mustang: 289/T5-5spd/3.25 Trac-Loc 1968 Pontiac Firebird: Project Fire Chicken! 2015 Silverado Double Cab 5.3L Z71 2001 Jeep Wrangler Sport 4.0L 5spd 2020 Chevrolet Equinox Premium 2.0L Turbo 2011 Mustang V6 ~ Wife's ride American Born, Country by the Grace of God 1967 CST Shop Truck Rebuild! My 1967 C-10 Build Thread My Vintage Air A/C Install Project "On a Dime" Trying my hand at Home Renovation! 1965 Mustang Modifications!

12-10-2013, 03:33 PM	#19
Chris Binnett Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Portland OR Posts: 19	Re: harmonic balancer replacement Use the tool from O'rieleys/Autozone, but slap grease all over the threads and the bearing on the front, as well as the inside of the new HB. There is no need to wedge the motor if you have two wrenches. One goes on the end of the threded rod to keep it from spinning and the other one turns and pushes the balancer on. That guy in the "Toolbox" video on youtube had a WAY tougher time than I did. Grease and oil EVERYTHING and stop the motor from spinning with a second wrench...easy! C __________________ 1971 Cheyenne Super LB, Built factory 402. Rollin' WHITE on WHITE

12-10-2013, 04:02 PM	#20
Longhorn 70 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Chandler AZ Posts: 1,149	Re: harmonic balancer replacement Could also be motor mounts... __________________ 1970 Longhorn, Front Disc, 350/4 bolt, 882 heads, HEI, Edelbrock, 700R4, HO-52/4.11. 1996 Corvette, Collector Roadster, LT4, 396, 450RWHP, 6sp, 4.11/Dana44/posi 5 point roll bar And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. Gal 6:9

12-10-2013, 05:10 PM	#21
old Chevy guy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Foster Rhode Island Posts: 1,176	Re: harmonic balancer replacement If it does it in neutral it could be a tire . Or like the guys said u joints. my box truck picked up a wicked vibration and it was the center joint. Started around forty and got worse the faster it went.



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