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Old 10-03-2015, 11:26 PM   #1
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im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

SBC 350 stock accept for intake headers and carb ... the truck started to have over heating problems so i spent money i dident have to spend and bought a new cooling system brand new 3 row aluminum radiator and electric fan and shroud ... brand new high vol water pump new thermostat . new hoses and still gets hot ... now heres the kicker even on the hottest day we have had if you drive around town it cools perfect at 160 to 180 .. but start to cruise at speed on the freeway at 2900 rpms and climb a slight incline 230 deg .. set timing nothing no change new fuel lines no change .. then rebuilt a different carb and still no change under a load it gets hot .. im ripping out my hair
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Old 10-03-2015, 11:31 PM   #2
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

Is your fan going the right direction, and is it a puller and not pusher fan. The way I see it is the air at speeds is not going properly through the radiator, or if it's an auto the tranny is adding heat to the rad.

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Old 10-03-2015, 11:36 PM   #3
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

Is the engine block the original bore or have the cylinders been bored?
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Old 10-04-2015, 12:41 AM   #4
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

You need to get the air going thru the rad at highway speed.
You need to create a low pressure area behind and below the rad.
Easiest way to do that is install an airdam directly beneath the rad.
That will create a low pressure area so the air has somewhere to flow to.
You make one from a piece of plexiglass or find one from another truck you can modify to fit. You might need to use one that bolts under the front bumper like on the 73-87 trucks.
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Old 10-04-2015, 12:42 AM   #5
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

Head gasket leak? I'd do a pressure test...
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Old 10-04-2015, 02:23 AM   #6
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Head gasket leak? I'd do a pressure test...
i thought about the head gasket but ive got no water useage no steam in the pipes and no milky water ... it has never boiled over either ... as for the fan going the right way yes infact when i pull ove on the side of the freeway the front of the rad is very cool ... i sware its like a lean condition or timing . but its all been checked and its dead on ... as for the engine bore i think its stock . but here is the thing if it was over bore then it would have been a over heating problem right from the start .. not something that came into play later on meaning i was driving the truck for almost a year with no probs .. im assuming that if it were say air pockets in the system it would not only be at cruise speeds
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Old 10-04-2015, 04:18 AM   #7
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

It could be your lower radiator hose collapsing. I was just reading the C/10 Builders Guide (Summer 2015) and in the tips section (page 126) tip number 13 is to put an anti-collapse spring in the lower rad hose. The last line of the tip reads "If your experiencing overheating on the open highway but not in traffic, install this spring". If that's your problem it's an easy fix.
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Old 10-04-2015, 04:54 AM   #8
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It could be your lower radiator hose collapsing. I was just reading the C/10 Builders Guide (Summer 2015) and in the tips section (page 126) tip number 13 is to put an anti-collapse spring in the lower rad hose. The last line of the tip reads "If your experiencing overheating on the open highway but not in traffic, install this spring". If that's your problem it's an easy fix.
how to test for this ? is this somthing i can see by holding throttle at say 3000 RPMS and see happening under the hood while in Park ?
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Old 10-04-2015, 04:57 AM   #9
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It could be your lower radiator hose collapsing. I was just reading the C/10 Builders Guide (Summer 2015) and in the tips section (page 126) tip number 13 is to put an anti-collapse spring in the lower rad hose. The last line of the tip reads "If your experiencing overheating on the open highway but not in traffic, install this spring". If that's your problem it's an easy fix.
and is this also because i chose a HV Pump ? and a stock one would not do this ?
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Old 10-04-2015, 10:07 AM   #10
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

I'm wondering if you have all the factory air control sheet metal in place. I.e baffles etc. Can you post some pics of your set-up?
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Old 10-04-2015, 10:13 AM   #11
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

I sounds like it may be lean at the 2900. What carb are you running? How big and air cleaner do you have on it?
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

I think Slow Build might have the answer. Just squeeze on the lower hose. If you can squeeze it together it doesn't have a spring inside.
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Another thing you could try is take out the thermostat and run a garden hose into the lower rad hose to see how fast it comes out the top. Maybe there is an internal blockage.
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It could be your lower radiator hose collapsing. I was just reading the C/10 Builders Guide (Summer 2015) and in the tips section (page 126) tip number 13 is to put an anti-collapse spring in the lower rad hose. The last line of the tip reads "If your experiencing overheating on the open highway but not in traffic, install this spring". If that's your problem it's an easy fix.
I always wondered why that spring was in the hose. Now its perfectly clear.
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how to test for this ? is this somthing i can see by holding throttle at say 3000 RPMS and see happening under the hood while in Park ?
I would first just try to squeeze the lower radiator hose (with the engine off) and see if it has that spring in it. If it doesn't, you might want to try the running test to see if it collapses.
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

Wonder if you could put a smaller diameter water pump pulley on so the water pump is spinning faster at lower RPMs? Therefore helping to increase the flow?
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Wonder if you could put a smaller diameter water pump pulley on so the water pump is spinning faster at lower RPMs? Therefore helping to increase the flow?
I think he has a higher volume than stock wp . It could be that the coolant is moving through the system too fast and isnt having enough time in the radiator to cool properly. I'm curious about the lower radiator hose myself as well.
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Old 10-04-2015, 11:32 AM   #18
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Try replacing your fuel pump.
A weak or failed pump will cause this problem. Had it on my '61 coming home one time. The spring broke and the arm pivot came out the side of the pump, so there was no fuel pump.
An engine will create enough vacuum to draw fuel through the lines and through the carb. It would start and idle just fine, but at speed at lower RPM, it started to stutter out like it was running out of fuel.
However, if I kept the RPM up (driving in 3rd gear, 1:1, rather than 4th OD .72:1), it ran just fine--but hot. Because it was running lean.
It was getting enough fuel to run, but it was running real lean.
At idle, the glass fuel filter I installed was full, which really made the final diagnosis difficult.
The pump arm's pivot was actually hanging out the side of the pump, which let me figure it out.

(I ended up using a zip tie to close off the secondaries on the 4bbl, so it was creating more vacuum through the primaries, and drove 180 miles home with a zip tie for a fuel pump)

Also, double check and make sure that fan is right. The blades need to be oriented so they the leading edge is digging into the air behind the radiator and pushing the air to the engine--leading edge closer to radiator, trailing edge close to engine.

But my guess is, fuel pump.

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X 10 on the spring in the lower hose. Sounds like with the mods u made u may be sucking it shut. If it does have a spring, I would remove the hose and make sure the spring is in good shape, not broken or anything. This is one of those things u can check / do for free or very little money.
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

not sure if this is available to you but if you can get the truck on a dyno you can simulate the freeway and see if there's anything obvious going on...
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Re: im so lost i almost wanna cry :(

is your e-fan on all the time? turn it off going down the hwy and see what happens. friend had the same problem-metal shroud-e-fan and the combo was restricting the air through the rad at hi speeds. just a thought.
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Do you have the right combination of water pump and belt system? A friend bought a camper and cooled fine around town took it out on the freeway and the temp just started to climb .......Come to find out PO had the water pump replaced and they had put a "V" belt pump on a Serpentine belt drive truck
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I think slow build has your answer. I had the same problem on an old nova one time. When the engine was revved to a certain rpm you could see the hose collapse. She only ran hot at highway speeds. Installed a new hose with spring and she ran perfect.
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SBC 350 stock accept for intake headers and carb ... the truck started to have over heating problems so i spent money i dident have to spend and bought a new cooling system brand new 3 row aluminum radiator and electric fan and shroud ... brand new high vol water pump new thermostat . new hoses and still gets hot ... now heres the kicker even on the hottest day we have had if you drive around town it cools perfect at 160 to 180 .. but start to cruise at speed on the freeway at 2900 rpms and climb a slight incline 230 deg .. set timing nothing no change new fuel lines no change .. then rebuilt a different carb and still no change under a load it gets hot .. im ripping out my hair
how many lb pressure cap are you running and are you using anti-freeze?
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Hot engine and cool radiator is circulation issue, SlowBuild is on right track
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