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52'5window · 01-04-2016, 06:13 PM

Hi All, Ive been building a what turned out to be a 49 5 window 3100.
I am wondering if its possible, or if anyone has deleted the metal trim the goes around the door glass?

Ive been searching for months, ive read so many post threads about glass but have not found anything that comes close to what im trying to do.

I probably need to give more info, but dont really know what to give. Can someone help guide me in the right direction to figure this out?

thanks,

Aaron

msaintg · 01-04-2016, 07:08 PM

If you are referring to the metal trim that clips onto the door frame, I think I have seen where guys weld it onto the door frame so it looks like one piece. I believe Shannon (xpickup) did it for one of his customers trucks.

If you are referring to the metal trim that is actually glued to the glass, I guess you could just remove it and then make the felt channel in the door frame narrower for a tight fit...... but I don't know why you would want to do that. I love the metal trim on my windows..... just my opinion.

**youngrodder** · 01-04-2016, 07:28 PM

I have smooth side door glass with no metal trim. You just need to find a source that sells narrower felt. I bought mine from a vender at a swap meet many years back. I even had the edges of the glass polished for a nicer look.

It is not that big of a deal.

Marc

MARTINSR · 01-04-2016, 07:38 PM

Yeah the glass will need to be urethaned to the lower channel and then use different felt channel around the edges. They make it that has a thinner center to it. A glass shop should be able to help you with it, it's just generic channel that has been used over the years in many cars and trucks.

If you do remove it, keep my name here to send me a message if you have it for sale, I may need it.

But really, I find it to be a cool thing about the truck.

Brian

47 Fasttoys · 01-04-2016, 07:40 PM

Yep, did it on my '46. Just use your old glass including the metal frame as a pattern for the new glass, have new glass cut and tempered (glass shops do this all the time), install new felt and new glass and your done. The polished edge is a nice touch, mine are not.
Rob

MARTINSR · 01-04-2016, 08:27 PM

Are you sure they really "Tempered" them? That isn't very common really. They can have it done of course but it's pretty rare around here that it ever would be. They aren't safety plate then? Because they could be made out of safety plate too, with the edge polished done deal.

They were originally safety plate as all cars were back then other than curved back glasses which were tempered. And many late model cars have safety plate side glass because of side air bags.

Brian

chopit · 01-04-2016, 09:29 PM

What is the advantage to doing this? Seals better? Is this more for one piece or work well with vent window?

**youngrodder** · 01-04-2016, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chopit

What is the advantage to doing this? Seals better? Is this more for one piece or work well with vent window?

No real advantage other than it looks cleaner/more modern (to some people). It will not function any different.

Marc

mr48chev · 01-04-2016, 10:58 PM

A local glass shop cuts the windows out of regular plate glass and then sends it out to be tempered. They send it to a shop in the Portland Oregon area to be done.

You can't temper laminated glass as the plastic lamination will melt. .

Prime reason is that the laminated glass cracks easily enough in the one piece windows with the frame around it if the doors are slammed by someone who isn't used to being gentle when closing the door.

47 Fasttoys · 01-05-2016, 06:28 AM

Mr48 is on the money with this one. My side glass was cut, then I checked it for size, then it was sent to be tempered. The cost was less then $40 per side window. Over 10 years now and no issues.
Rob

MARTINSR · 01-05-2016, 11:05 AM

I didn't know it was so common to have it tempered. But then I did have a glass shop cut a table top for me and temper it. Duh!

Brian

52'5window · 01-05-2016, 03:19 PM

Thank you all for the replies,

I already have the glass cut and tempered. tracks and regulators are installed too. The only thing I dont have is the rubber/felt that goes in the channel and the window base that the regulator goes into.. Im sure i can find a distributor, just dont know what to ask for....

52'5window · 01-05-2016, 03:28 PM

47 fasttoys,
What did you use for the window track felt? Is there a specific vehicle that you found uses the proper size that fits our application?

Russell Ashley · 01-05-2016, 04:28 PM

Restoration Specialties, www.restorationspecialties.com, has a lot of different sizes and shapes of the type of weather stripping that you are asking about. Their catalog shows the end view and has measurements. You should be able to find something that would work for what you want to do.

52'5window · 01-05-2016, 04:55 PM

That is perfect! Thank you for the direction.

When I figure out how to shrink pictures, ill post a few.

52'5window · 01-05-2016, 05:49 PM

Looks like I need the window lift channels for the bottom of the glass. I have found repops for 51 and later, but nothing for the ealrier AD truck.

Seems like im shopping for a set original door glass with frames?

01-04-2016, 06:13 PM	#1
52'5window Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 9	door glass metal surround delete Hi All, Ive been building a what turned out to be a 49 5 window 3100. I am wondering if its possible, or if anyone has deleted the metal trim the goes around the door glass? Ive been searching for months, ive read so many post threads about glass but have not found anything that comes close to what im trying to do. I probably need to give more info, but dont really know what to give. Can someone help guide me in the right direction to figure this out? thanks, Aaron

01-04-2016, 07:08 PM	#2
msaintg Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 454	Re: door glass metal surround delete If you are referring to the metal trim that clips onto the door frame, I think I have seen where guys weld it onto the door frame so it looks like one piece. I believe Shannon (xpickup) did it for one of his customers trucks. If you are referring to the metal trim that is actually glued to the glass, I guess you could just remove it and then make the felt channel in the door frame narrower for a tight fit...... but I don't know why you would want to do that. I love the metal trim on my windows..... just my opinion. __________________ Mike http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=526387

01-04-2016, 07:28 PM	#3
youngrodder Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Scotts, Michigan Posts: 3,765	Re: door glass metal surround delete I have smooth side door glass with no metal trim. You just need to find a source that sells narrower felt. I bought mine from a vender at a swap meet many years back. I even had the edges of the glass polished for a nicer look. It is not that big of a deal. Marc __________________ …………...........__________ .................. ((__\|__\|\|___\____ ..;.;;.:;:;.,;..;((_(O))____ (_(O)) 1948 Chevy Truck - Finished SOLD!! 1953 Chevy Suburban "Family Truckster" Completed: Spring of 2021 http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=605484 1994 4x4 Blazer - "Field Find" https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...ferrerid=30857

01-04-2016, 07:38 PM	#4
MARTINSR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 6,003	Re: door glass metal surround delete Yeah the glass will need to be urethaned to the lower channel and then use different felt channel around the edges. They make it that has a thinner center to it. A glass shop should be able to help you with it, it's just generic channel that has been used over the years in many cars and trucks. If you do remove it, keep my name here to send me a message if you have it for sale, I may need it. But really, I find it to be a cool thing about the truck. Brian __________________ 1948 Chevy pickup Chopped, Sectioned, 1953 Corvette 235 powered. Once was even 401 Buick mid engined with the carburetor right between the seats! Bought with paper route money in 1973 when I was 15. "Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

01-04-2016, 07:40 PM	#5
47 Fasttoys Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Westminster, SC Posts: 933	Re: door glass metal surround delete Yep, did it on my '46. Just use your old glass including the metal frame as a pattern for the new glass, have new glass cut and tempered (glass shops do this all the time), install new felt and new glass and your done. The polished edge is a nice touch, mine are not. Rob __________________ My '47 C.O.E build

01-04-2016, 08:27 PM	#6
MARTINSR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 6,003	Re: door glass metal surround delete Are you sure they really "Tempered" them? That isn't very common really. They can have it done of course but it's pretty rare around here that it ever would be. They aren't safety plate then? Because they could be made out of safety plate too, with the edge polished done deal. They were originally safety plate as all cars were back then other than curved back glasses which were tempered. And many late model cars have safety plate side glass because of side air bags. Brian __________________ 1948 Chevy pickup Chopped, Sectioned, 1953 Corvette 235 powered. Once was even 401 Buick mid engined with the carburetor right between the seats! Bought with paper route money in 1973 when I was 15. "Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

01-04-2016, 09:29 PM	#7
chopit Registered User Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Gravette Ar Posts: 296	Re: door glass metal surround delete What is the advantage to doing this? Seals better? Is this more for one piece or work well with vent window?

01-04-2016, 10:58 PM	#9
mr48chev Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toppenish, WA Posts: 15,389	Re: door glass metal surround delete A local glass shop cuts the windows out of regular plate glass and then sends it out to be tempered. They send it to a shop in the Portland Oregon area to be done. You can't temper laminated glass as the plastic lamination will melt. . Prime reason is that the laminated glass cracks easily enough in the one piece windows with the frame around it if the doors are slammed by someone who isn't used to being gentle when closing the door. __________________ Founding member of the too many projects, too little time and money club. My ongoing truck projects: 48 Chev 3100 that will run a 292 Six. 71 GMC 2500 that is getting a Cad 500 transplant. 77 C 30 dualie, 454, 4 speed with a 10 foot flatbed and hoist. It does the heavy work and hauls the projects around.

01-05-2016, 06:28 AM	#10
47 Fasttoys Registered User Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Westminster, SC Posts: 933	Re: door glass metal surround delete Mr48 is on the money with this one. My side glass was cut, then I checked it for size, then it was sent to be tempered. The cost was less then $40 per side window. Over 10 years now and no issues. Rob __________________ My '47 C.O.E build

01-05-2016, 11:05 AM	#11
MARTINSR Registered User Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 6,003	Re: door glass metal surround delete I didn't know it was so common to have it tempered. But then I did have a glass shop cut a table top for me and temper it. Duh! Brian __________________ 1948 Chevy pickup Chopped, Sectioned, 1953 Corvette 235 powered. Once was even 401 Buick mid engined with the carburetor right between the seats! Bought with paper route money in 1973 when I was 15. "Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

01-05-2016, 03:19 PM	#12
52'5window Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 9	Re: door glass metal surround delete Thank you all for the replies, I already have the glass cut and tempered. tracks and regulators are installed too. The only thing I dont have is the rubber/felt that goes in the channel and the window base that the regulator goes into.. Im sure i can find a distributor, just dont know what to ask for....

01-05-2016, 03:28 PM	#13
52'5window Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 9	Re: door glass metal surround delete 47 fasttoys, What did you use for the window track felt? Is there a specific vehicle that you found uses the proper size that fits our application?

01-05-2016, 04:28 PM	#14
Russell Ashley Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga Posts: 2,640	Re: door glass metal surround delete Restoration Specialties, www.restorationspecialties.com, has a lot of different sizes and shapes of the type of weather stripping that you are asking about. Their catalog shows the end view and has measurements. You should be able to find something that would work for what you want to do.

01-05-2016, 04:55 PM	#15
52'5window Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 9	Re: door glass metal surround delete That is perfect! Thank you for the direction. When I figure out how to shrink pictures, ill post a few.

01-05-2016, 05:49 PM	#16
52'5window Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 9	Re: door glass metal surround delete Looks like I need the window lift channels for the bottom of the glass. I have found repops for 51 and later, but nothing for the ealrier AD truck. Seems like im shopping for a set original door glass with frames?



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