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ocbaud · 12-08-2003, 05:28 PM

okay, as many of you guys know, i am looking for an engine

well tommorow i'm gonna go on out to Moore and talk to this builder and stuff. He already has an engine that is sitting at his shop ready to rebuild for me. Gonna cost about $700 for the engine + rebuild.Half now, half when its done. Gonna have it hottanked and bored .030 over and zerodecked. The internals wont be forged but thats okay with me i guess, i dont plan on having a supercharger or nitrus and dont plan on going much over 450hp(if that)

i dont know what brand all the parts will be but hopefully my dad is gonna call him today to find out, if not, i'll find out tommorow. everyone i've talked to have said that he is great and does great work. with christmas coming up i'll be even closer to having the truck running soon.

I'm hoping that it will be drivable by the end of january.

**swervin ervin** · 12-08-2003, 05:31 PM

700 dollars for just the basic engine??? What does it include? I think this is too much. If it's just a block, you can buy them all day long for a couple hundred. Heck for $700.00 it should be a running, fairly decent engine already. I say shop around some and don't rush the process.

Russell · 12-08-2003, 05:39 PM

I would have to agree with Mike here... Sounds like you are a bit too willing to toss the cash around

If I were you, I'd go to the wreckers, find yourself a decent shortblock, get the boring and stuff done on it professionally (after making sure the block is sound) then build the rest yourself, you'll save a ton of money, and you'll learn a whole lot more. Makes it a bit more satisfactory knowing that you built your own engine up, and that you know that every peice was put in properly, and that they are new peices, etc

ocbaud · 12-08-2003, 05:40 PM

fully rebuilt shortblock with crank, rods,pistons,oil pan, etc... i'll talk to him tommorow. my dad's been the only one able to talk to him so far since i've got school and work X 2. my dad does remember him saying that he uses ARP bolts on everything.

ocbaud · 12-08-2003, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Russell
I would have to agree with Mike here... Sounds like you are a bit too willing to toss the cash around

If I were you, I'd go to the wreckers, find yourself a decent shortblock, get the boring and stuff done on it professionally (after making sure the block is sound) then build the rest yourself, you'll save a ton of money, and you'll learn a whole lot more. Makes it a bit more satisfactory knowing that you built your own engine up, and that you know that every peice was put in properly, and that they are new peices, etc

i do not have time knowledge or the time to build the shortblock up myself. neither do i have even half the tools needed. it would be fun, but with me going to school and working 2 different jobs, i dont have time to do it myself. the top end i will be doing though.

Nvbowtie · 12-09-2003, 08:32 AM

700 + to rebuild it is too much,

you can get a complete engine from a salvage yard to rebuild for $100 - $300,

or 1300-2300 you could get a new crate motor from chevy

#10067353 $ 1,289.00 / #12486041 $ 2,2990.00
http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp?3=3169

>>> I just noticed you are guessing 450HP ?? whats your plan to achieve that ???<<<

Call 2 or 3 local GMperformance parts dealers and verify price in your area.

Tom · 12-09-2003, 01:42 PM

$700 for a shortblock had better include forged pistons, premium bearings+rings, 4bolt bottem end, and ARP hardware everywhere, not to mention some great machine work including line hone, bore w/ torque plate, hone, checking all the lifter bores etc. Heck, a forged crank would be nice too

I'd spend $700 on a shortblock that I put together myself, but it would be the best of everything.

**old Rusty C10** · 12-09-2003, 02:58 PM

yeah id so some serious shopping that does sound a tad high hell id go for a crate motor for the extra money its pretty well done and ya get a warranty too

boataddict26 · 12-09-2003, 07:31 PM

Have you found anything out today?

low 84 · 12-09-2003, 07:56 PM

you guys are crazy. for a shortblock put together right with all the right machine work and good hipo parts 700 is a good deal. if its a stock rebuilt shortblock then thats high. he didn't say what kind of parts they are using but if they are good then thats a good deal. i paid more than 700 just for my crank and pistons. thats no block, no machine work, no rods, no bearings, no rings...........

ocbaud · 12-09-2003, 08:22 PM

i'm gonna go see him tommorow at around 12:00pm.

its not just a stock rebuild, but they arent gonna be the "best" parts. i know i could probably do it cheaper if i assembled it myself, but i dont have time and i dont trust myself in doing it.

having it done means i can have something to fall back on if something breaks(and its not my fault)

C&C Chevy · 12-09-2003, 10:10 PM

Eric, what's the name of the shop?

ocbaud · 12-09-2003, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by C&C Chevy
Eric, what's the name of the shop?

hold on a sec.

ocbaud · 12-09-2003, 10:36 PM

"Moore Machine"

Bert Chamberlin

TIMSPEED · 12-09-2003, 11:12 PM

$700 is a fair deal if it's all done right and includes BRAND NEW rods/pistons/etc. I would expect Eagle Rods and KB Hyper pistons for $700.
I paid $1200 for my LONGblock, but it's just STOCK replacement parts, no name brand anything. (Except ARP fasteners throughout)
Eric, remember, after that $700, you'll be spending prolly another $2000 for heads/cam/intake.

ocbaud · 12-09-2003, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TIMSPEED
$700 is a fair deal if it's all done right and includes BRAND NEW rods/pistons/etc. I would expect Eagle Rods and KB Hyper pistons for $700.
I paid $1200 for my LONGblock, but it's just STOCK replacement parts, no name brand anything. (Except ARP fasteners throughout)
Eric, remember, after that $700, you'll be spending prolly another $2000 for heads/cam/intake.

probably holley sysmaxII kit

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLin...K/300-503.html

around $1400

Nvbowtie · 12-10-2003, 12:20 AM

I think I may be confused, ?

Eric said: " $700 for the engine + rebuild."

Do I understand this right;

700 for a engine (just to own a 350 engine)

+

then tearing down and rebuilding same engine with what ever parts required/desired / and + labor

Eric - - -Am I right with this ???

ocbaud · 12-10-2003, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nvbowtie
I think I may be confused, ?

Eric said: " $700 for the engine + rebuild."

Do I understand this right;

700 for a engine (just to own a 350 engine)

+

then tearing down and rebuilding same engine with what ever parts required/desired / and + labor

Eric - - -Am I right with this ???

for the shortblock engine, yes that is correct. He already has an engine there that is ready to be torn down and rebuild just for me.

edit:
the $700 would be paying for the block, parts, and labor

phantom dually · 12-10-2003, 12:49 AM

This thread is becoming confusing on what you are actually getting here for $700.00. You can get a block for around $200 for a good unit that has been checked for cracked cylinders

**swervin ervin** · 12-10-2003, 01:15 AM

I'm confused for sure. Of course it don't take much to confuse me.

Eric,

how about tomorrow, after you talk to the guy, get a list of what it is. Get it all in writing, piece for piece. Then you come back on here and tell us, what the hell it is you are paying 700 bucks for.

ocbaud · 12-10-2003, 01:35 AM

$700 gets me:

350 engine
rebuilding of 350 engine
parts
labor

i dont understand what is so difficult to understand about this?

low 84 · 12-10-2003, 04:02 AM

hey bro you might want to check this out

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...865#post631865

allthrtl · 12-10-2003, 04:34 AM

Quote:

fully rebuilt shortblock with crank, rods,pistons,oil pan, etc...

I think this is were some of the confusion is coming from. A "shortblock" is block, crank, rods, pistons and not much else. If this is what your getting, your getting ripped. I pd $1000 for a "longblock"...shortblock w/ flat tops,stock heads w/ z28 springs and collars, cam of my choice, all the covers, installed my intake and the core charge....all from a builder with a very good reputation.

I think everybody just wants to make sure you don't get ripped. Some of us have been down this road many times...

Nvbowtie · 12-10-2003, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ocbaud
$700 gets me:

350 engine
rebuilding of 350 engine
parts
labor

i dont understand what is so difficult to understand about this?

Then what was your initial post of:

Quote:

$700 for the engine + rebuild. Half now, half when its done.

this says to me: 700 for motor then +??$$$ for rebuilding it.

If you are saying now for 700.00
you get a short block w/ no heads -ok, I get it,

but now I would say- sounds a little cheap for a 450HP motor.
machine work and labor avg cost 500.00 +/- only leaves 200.00 for crank,rods,bearings,pistons,cam,timing chain,oil pump, gasket kit and the ARP bolts.

Let us know like swervin said, your list of parts and services.

BaggedC10 · 12-10-2003, 12:58 PM

Do yourself a favor and purchase a 350 H.O. from GM.

12-08-2003, 05:31 PM	#2
swervin ervin You get what you pay for Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Cherryville, NC Posts: 4,798	700 dollars for just the basic engine??? What does it include? I think this is too much. If it's just a block, you can buy them all day long for a couple hundred. Heck for $700.00 it should be a running, fairly decent engine already. I say shop around some and don't rush the process. __________________ Mike 1985 Chevy C-10

12-08-2003, 05:39 PM	#3
Russell Professional Grade Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort McMurray, Alberta Posts: 7,915	I would have to agree with Mike here... Sounds like you are a bit too willing to toss the cash around If I were you, I'd go to the wreckers, find yourself a decent shortblock, get the boring and stuff done on it professionally (after making sure the block is sound) then build the rest yourself, you'll save a ton of money, and you'll learn a whole lot more. Makes it a bit more satisfactory knowing that you built your own engine up, and that you know that every peice was put in properly, and that they are new peices, etc __________________ 1995 Chevrolet 2 Door Tahoe (6.6L LBZ Duramax / ZF6 / NP241 with 1 ton solid axle swap)

12-09-2003, 08:32 AM	#6
Nvbowtie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Laughlin, Nv. USA Posts: 700	700 + to rebuild it is too much, you can get a complete engine from a salvage yard to rebuild for $100 - $300, or 1300-2300 you could get a new crate motor from chevy #10067353 $ 1,289.00 / #12486041 $ 2,2990.00 http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp?3=3169 >>> I just noticed you are guessing 450HP ?? whats your plan to achieve that ???<<< Call 2 or 3 local GMperformance parts dealers and verify price in your area. __________________ www.unlimited2u.com/chevy Bill 1980 Chevy C-10 Silverado 1988 Chevy Blazer Tahoe Last edited by Nvbowtie; 12-09-2003 at 08:43 AM.

12-09-2003, 01:42 PM	#7
Tom driving is in my blood Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 5,714	$700 for a shortblock had better include forged pistons, premium bearings+rings, 4bolt bottem end, and ARP hardware everywhere, not to mention some great machine work including line hone, bore w/ torque plate, hone, checking all the lifter bores etc. Heck, a forged crank would be nice too I'd spend $700 on a shortblock that I put together myself, but it would be the best of everything. __________________ -78 c10 short/step: 388cid, M20, 5/5 drop, lots more. Playtoy and first vehicle. -98 c1500 x-cab: 5.7L, 17" rims, 5/6 drop, flowmaster, helper bags,NBS rear disk brakes. -02 Suburban 4x4: leveled front -CBR600F4i, CBR600RR, CBR1000RR, and standup skis DISCLAIMER: I cant spell for the life of me.

12-09-2003, 02:58 PM	#8
old Rusty C10 Robert Olson Transport Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: recent transplant to NC USA Posts: 20,281	yeah id so some serious shopping that does sound a tad high hell id go for a crate motor for the extra money its pretty well done and ya get a warranty too __________________ Bob 1951 International running on a squarebody chassis "If a man's worth is judged by the people he associates himself with, then i am the richest man in the world knowing some of the fine people of this board" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/a...t.php?f=25&a=9 (you can review the site rules here!) PM Me for your vehicle/parts hauling needs in the North East US or see my Facebook page Robert Olson Transport Live each day to the fullest.. you never know when fate is going to pull the rug out from under you... I hate cancer!!

12-08-2003, 05:28 PM	#1
ocbaud Garage Queen Material Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,129	shortblock tommorow! okay, as many of you guys know, i am looking for an engine well tommorow i'm gonna go on out to Moore and talk to this builder and stuff. He already has an engine that is sitting at his shop ready to rebuild for me. Gonna cost about $700 for the engine + rebuild.Half now, half when its done. Gonna have it hottanked and bored .030 over and zerodecked. The internals wont be forged but thats okay with me i guess, i dont plan on having a supercharger or nitrus and dont plan on going much over 450hp(if that) i dont know what brand all the parts will be but hopefully my dad is gonna call him today to find out, if not, i'll find out tommorow. everyone i've talked to have said that he is great and does great work. with christmas coming up i'll be even closer to having the truck running soon. I'm hoping that it will be drivable by the end of january.

12-08-2003, 05:40 PM	#4
ocbaud Garage Queen Material Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,129	fully rebuilt shortblock with crank, rods,pistons,oil pan, etc... i'll talk to him tommorow. my dad's been the only one able to talk to him so far since i've got school and work X 2. my dad does remember him saying that he uses ARP bolts on everything.

12-09-2003, 07:31 PM	#9
boataddict26 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Central Florida Posts: 726	Have you found anything out today? __________________ 1978 Chevy C10 Currently under resto. 350 Getting face lift. .060, JEpistons, Modify heads. More will come with money.

12-09-2003, 07:56 PM	#10
low 84 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,144	you guys are crazy. for a shortblock put together right with all the right machine work and good hipo parts 700 is a good deal. if its a stock rebuilt shortblock then thats high. he didn't say what kind of parts they are using but if they are good then thats a good deal. i paid more than 700 just for my crank and pistons. thats no block, no machine work, no rods, no bearings, no rings........... __________________ '51 F100, backhalf with a narrowed 9 and coil overs, 18.5" mickeys, monte front clip, +400" sbc in the works '05 1500 Crew Cab RIP '84 swb 5/7 drop, solid cammed 408 w/ fully ported dart heads, th350 w/ 10 inch hughes, 12 bolt w/ 3.73 richmonds and a locker '80 swb 4x4 in progress: 7" lift, 350 th350/np205, d44 and 1.5" ORD tie rod, 14BFF w/discs , armored diff covers, 40" MTR's Last edited by low 84; 12-09-2003 at 07:59 PM.

12-09-2003, 08:22 PM	#11
ocbaud Garage Queen Material Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,129	i'm gonna go see him tommorow at around 12:00pm. its not just a stock rebuild, but they arent gonna be the "best" parts. i know i could probably do it cheaper if i assembled it myself, but i dont have time and i dont trust myself in doing it. having it done means i can have something to fall back on if something breaks(and its not my fault)

12-09-2003, 10:10 PM	#12
C&C Chevy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Midwest City, OK Posts: 1,001	Eric, what's the name of the shop? __________________ Robert Current: 1986 SWB Silverado 4.3 / TH400 Past: 1985 SWB Silverado 305 / TH350 - sold 1995 1987 1/2 ton Silverado - FI 350 / 700R4 sold 2007

12-09-2003, 10:36 PM	#14
ocbaud Garage Queen Material Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,129	"Moore Machine" Bert Chamberlin

12-09-2003, 11:12 PM	#15
TIMSPEED Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 1,321	$700 is a fair deal if it's all done right and includes BRAND NEW rods/pistons/etc. I would expect Eagle Rods and KB Hyper pistons for $700. I paid $1200 for my LONGblock, but it's just STOCK replacement parts, no name brand anything. (Except ARP fasteners throughout) Eric, remember, after that $700, you'll be spending prolly another $2000 for heads/cam/intake. __________________ I have a few cars... See Them Here

12-10-2003, 12:20 AM	#17
Nvbowtie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Laughlin, Nv. USA Posts: 700	I think I may be confused, ? Eric said: " $700 for the engine + rebuild." Do I understand this right; 700 for a engine (just to own a 350 engine) + then tearing down and rebuilding same engine with what ever parts required/desired / and + labor Eric - - -Am I right with this ??? __________________ www.unlimited2u.com/chevy Bill 1980 Chevy C-10 Silverado 1988 Chevy Blazer Tahoe Last edited by Nvbowtie; 12-10-2003 at 12:23 AM.

12-10-2003, 12:49 AM	#19
phantom dually Project92 SWB stepside Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 4,793	This thread is becoming confusing on what you are actually getting here for $700.00. You can get a block for around $200 for a good unit that has been checked for cracked cylinders __________________ 92 C1500 stepside 496 Stroker Competiton Engineering Ladder bars/QA1 coilovers. Dana 60 rear with 4.10 gear and posi. Bonspeed Palisade 20x12 in rear w/335/30/20 and 20x8.5 front w/245/40/20. 5/8 drop with Belltech springs/DJM spindles/drop shocks. WWS Progress thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=140448



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12-10-2003, 01:15 AM	#20
swervin ervin You get what you pay for Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Cherryville, NC Posts: 4,798	I'm confused for sure. Of course it don't take much to confuse me. Eric, how about tomorrow, after you talk to the guy, get a list of what it is. Get it all in writing, piece for piece. Then you come back on here and tell us, what the hell it is you are paying 700 bucks for.

12-10-2003, 01:35 AM	#21
ocbaud Garage Queen Material Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,129	$700 gets me: 350 engine rebuilding of 350 engine parts labor i dont understand what is so difficult to understand about this?

12-10-2003, 04:02 AM	#22
low 84 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,144	hey bro you might want to check this out http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...865#post631865 __________________ '51 F100, backhalf with a narrowed 9 and coil overs, 18.5" mickeys, monte front clip, +400" sbc in the works '05 1500 Crew Cab RIP '84 swb 5/7 drop, solid cammed 408 w/ fully ported dart heads, th350 w/ 10 inch hughes, 12 bolt w/ 3.73 richmonds and a locker '80 swb 4x4 in progress: 7" lift, 350 th350/np205, d44 and 1.5" ORD tie rod, 14BFF w/discs , armored diff covers, 40" MTR's

12-10-2003, 12:58 PM	#25
BaggedC10 Under construction! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NorCal Posts: 1,065	Do yourself a favor and purchase a 350 H.O. from GM. __________________ 2001 Silverado bagged on 22's. Sold

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