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**K10-Kansas** · 01-18-2023, 03:55 PM

Does your gear selection indicator sit at 12:00? I just installed my CPP column and my indicator is sitting at 12:30. The notch in the steering column shaft that sits over the protruding notch in the brake pedal steering column mount housing, those notches don't line up centered between the shift indicator screws. Are everyone's shift indicators slanted to the right?

best view · 01-18-2023, 09:39 PM

Wow that’s hard to look at

**special-K** · 01-19-2023, 09:00 AM

I feel like I'm eating a taco

**HO455** · 01-19-2023, 09:49 AM

Yep, that's cockeyed.

**68 C10 Driver** · 01-19-2023, 11:28 AM

Just out of curiosity, what does it look like on the other side of the firewall at the bracket?

**K10-Kansas** · 01-21-2023, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 68 C10 Driver

Just out of curiosity, what does it look like on the other side of the firewall at the bracket?

Here's the engine bay side

**clay68c10** · 01-21-2023, 07:20 PM

It should be straight up at 12:00
The rectangular holes in the column tube should line up with it.

**K10-Kansas** · 01-22-2023, 09:04 AM

I called CPP and they say they are looking at their columns to see if there is a problem. I called IDIDIT and they said their columns don't have this problem because the user drills the shift indicator holes themselves. I called local IDIDIT reseller and he says he cuts the brake housing nipple off to make the CPP columns straight. I'm not doing that. I imagine I'll get a replacement CPP column or I return it and get an IDIDIT column.

This has been a ton of work and hassle with the issues with the CPP column. I feel like they owe me $500 in labor costs.

Montierth · 01-23-2023, 04:34 PM

I have been looking at the CPP tilt column due to the price and their saying it is all new. The shift indicator lining up right is one of the reasons I would want to change out my current stock column. Did CPP ever get back to you? Sounds like paying the bigger money and going with IDIDIT is the way to go for me.

**68 C10 Driver** · 01-23-2023, 08:03 PM

I was going to say loosen the column clamps on the firewall and under the dash and rotate the column counter clockwise, but that would put the shifter in an odd angle. Looks like that column you have is actually defective.

I have seen the IDIDIT units and they look really nice...or get a used GM tilt column and refurbish it.

**K10-Kansas** · 01-23-2023, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Montierth

I have been looking at the CPP tilt column due to the price and their saying it is all new. The shift indicator lining up right is one of the reasons I would want to change out my current stock column. Did CPP ever get back to you? Sounds like paying the bigger money and going with IDIDIT is the way to go for me.

I emailed them again and no reply.

**K10-Kansas** · 01-23-2023, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 68 C10 Driver

I was going to say loosen the column clamps on the firewall and under the dash and rotate the column counter clockwise, but that would put the shifter in an odd angle. Looks like that column you have is actually defective.

I have seen the IDIDIT units and they look really nice...or get a used GM tilt column and refurbish it.

The only way I could rotate the column is if I ground off the nipple in the "firewall-brake pedal-column support housing".

Casper42 · 01-27-2023, 12:33 AM

hum. its odd indeed. Perhaps your signiture might explain something about the fit:
1971 GMC C10 cab. 71-72 Chevy grill. Maybe a 77-78 K10 frame. Long bed cut to short bed step side. Manual changed over to automatic R700 4 speed

It seems your truck has had a LOT of work. Perhaps this is not a CPP issue. hum

**K10-Kansas** · 01-27-2023, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper42

hum. its odd indeed. Perhaps your signiture might explain something about the fit:
1971 GMC C10 cab. 71-72 Chevy grill. Maybe a 77-78 K10 frame. Long bed cut to short bed step side. Manual changed over to automatic R700 4 speed

It seems your truck has had a LOT of work. Perhaps this is not a CPP issue. hum

I think the center nipple in the brake-clutch-steering support for all trucks is centered. Mine is centered. I confirmed that the notch cut into the steering column that the nipples set into is offset from the 2 holes that hold the gear selection indicator for the classic performance parts steering column hanging on the wall at LMC just like the CPP column I installed is offset. Since their columns are offset and C10 nipples are centered then the columns would look offset. A fabricator i called also confirmed that he cuts the nipple off C10 trucks to get CCP columns to sit straight.

**special-K** · 01-27-2023, 09:33 AM

Column fitment only involves the cab and all columns interchange in 67-72 trucks

Montierth · 01-27-2023, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by K10-Kansas

I think the center nipple in the brake-clutch-steering support for all trucks is centered. Mine is centered. I confirmed that the notch cut into the steering column that the nipples set into is offset from the 2 holes that hold the gear selection indicator for the classic performance parts steering column hanging on the wall at LMC just like the CPP column I installed is offset. Since their columns are offset and C10 nipples are centered then the columns would look offset. A fabricator i called also confirmed that he cuts the nipple off C10 trucks to get CCP columns to sit straight.

I am trying to picture what you mean by cutting off the center nipple in the brake-clutch-steering support. Is this inside the cab or under hood? Is this on the column or on the truck that you are having to cut? Just curious. Thanks

6600DURAMAX · 01-27-2023, 12:57 PM

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**K10-Kansas** · 01-31-2023, 07:20 PM

CPP is claiming that all C10 trucks have offset gear selection indicators

best view · 01-31-2023, 09:55 PM

Now that’s funny I’d tell them the experts in this truck club are seeing this and all potential customers

**Johnl48** · 01-31-2023, 10:27 PM

Tilt column I got here from Don D lined up perfectly. No issues

**K10-Kansas** · 01-31-2023, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montierth

I am trying to picture what you mean by cutting off the center nipple in the brake-clutch-steering support. Is this inside the cab or under hood? Is this on the column or on the truck that you are having to cut? Just curious. Thanks

Here is the nipple I was referring to.

**K10-Kansas** · 02-01-2023, 08:33 AM

I need some pictures to show the CPP representative that the indicator housing should be centered. Could you all post some pictures in this thread?

**special-K** · 02-01-2023, 09:40 AM

I'd tell Moises Perez to let me talk to your QC Dept. so they can convince me as easily as they convinced you, with a poor and incorrect answer! Oh but wait, the customer in the store confirmed it. My bad. The thousands of people who think the indicator should sit square, based on the view from the driver seat or their truck, are wrong. Or, maybe he should have asked that customer if his column was a CPP as well.

**Jason Banks** · 02-01-2023, 12:32 PM

CPP doesn't give a damn. My dealings with them were similar, they will do anything but admit their parts are poorly designed..

Montierth · 02-01-2023, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by K10-Kansas

Here is the nipple I was referring to.

Ahh I see. Now I gotta look at mine. Assuming the support/brace would have the nipple regardless if automatic or clutch truck.

Maybe a longshot but I think I saw in a previous post your dash was bent. Would that play into this at all? Just a thot?

01-18-2023, 03:55 PM	#1
K10-Kansas Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Kansas City Posts: 497	Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked Does your gear selection indicator sit at 12:00? I just installed my CPP column and my indicator is sitting at 12:30. The notch in the steering column shaft that sits over the protruding notch in the brake pedal steering column mount housing, those notches don't line up centered between the shift indicator screws. Are everyone's shift indicators slanted to the right? Attached Images __________________ 1971 C10 manual cab. 76 4x4 chassis. Cut short frame. Carbureted Blueprint 350, automatic 700r4. ~ James

01-18-2023, 09:39 PM	#2
best view Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: newbury new hampsire Posts: 2,164	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked Wow that’s hard to look at

01-19-2023, 09:00 AM	#3
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked I feel like I'm eating a taco __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

01-19-2023, 09:49 AM	#4
HO455 Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 11,393	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked Yep, that's cockeyed. __________________ Thanks to Bob and Jeanie and everyone else at Superior Performance for all their great help. RIP Bob Parks. 1967 Burban (the WMB),1988 S10 Blazer (the Stink10 II),1969 GTO (the Goat), 1970 Javelin, 1952 F2 Ford OHC six 4X4, 29 Model A, 72 Firebird (the DBP Bird). 85 Alfa Romeo If it breaks I didn't want it in the first place The WMB repair thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=698377

01-19-2023, 11:28 AM	#5
68 C10 Driver Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Kathleen, GA Posts: 651	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked Just out of curiosity, what does it look like on the other side of the firewall at the bracket?

01-21-2023, 07:20 PM	#7
clay68c10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Centennial, CO Posts: 2,991	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked It should be straight up at 12:00 The rectangular holes in the column tube should line up with it. __________________ ClusterTruck: 68 C10 Bought in 89, wrecked in 03. Slow low $ rebuild started '17. 6.0 & TKO http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=788602 93 K1500 Short Step, 350, NV4500, EBL flash ECU. Vortec heads & roller cam someday... 05 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited. 3” lift & 6-speed 02 E320 the insurance total “free car” 13 Tahoe LTZ

01-22-2023, 09:04 AM	#8
K10-Kansas Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Kansas City Posts: 497	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked I called CPP and they say they are looking at their columns to see if there is a problem. I called IDIDIT and they said their columns don't have this problem because the user drills the shift indicator holes themselves. I called local IDIDIT reseller and he says he cuts the brake housing nipple off to make the CPP columns straight. I'm not doing that. I imagine I'll get a replacement CPP column or I return it and get an IDIDIT column. This has been a ton of work and hassle with the issues with the CPP column. I feel like they owe me $500 in labor costs. __________________ 1971 C10 manual cab. 76 4x4 chassis. Cut short frame. Carbureted Blueprint 350, automatic 700r4. ~ James

01-23-2023, 04:34 PM	#9
Montierth Registered User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: QUEEN CREEK, AZ Posts: 272	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked I have been looking at the CPP tilt column due to the price and their saying it is all new. The shift indicator lining up right is one of the reasons I would want to change out my current stock column. Did CPP ever get back to you? Sounds like paying the bigger money and going with IDIDIT is the way to go for me. __________________ 1970 GMC C1500 short fleet Sellers Regret - 1950 GMC - 1967 Chevy C10 - 1970 GMC C2500 Dually Flat Bed - 2003 Silverado

01-23-2023, 08:03 PM	#10
68 C10 Driver Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Kathleen, GA Posts: 651	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked I was going to say loosen the column clamps on the firewall and under the dash and rotate the column counter clockwise, but that would put the shifter in an odd angle. Looks like that column you have is actually defective. I have seen the IDIDIT units and they look really nice...or get a used GM tilt column and refurbish it.

01-27-2023, 12:33 AM	#13
Casper42 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 332	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked hum. its odd indeed. Perhaps your signiture might explain something about the fit: 1971 GMC C10 cab. 71-72 Chevy grill. Maybe a 77-78 K10 frame. Long bed cut to short bed step side. Manual changed over to automatic R700 4 speed It seems your truck has had a LOT of work. Perhaps this is not a CPP issue. hum __________________ '72 C10 Cheyenne SWB North Carolina truck for 50 years, 72k original miles, Medium/Hawaiian Blue, 3 owners - one for 40 years, garaged kept, original: sheetmetal, undercarriage, moldings, glass * * * New - engine rebuild at 65k in 2015, one repaint in 2010, new front bumper, houndstooth seat, carpet, 8 inch rally wheels on 275-60R-15, LED lighting. - Semper Paratus!

01-27-2023, 09:33 AM	#15
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked Column fitment only involves the cab and all columns interchange in 67-72 trucks __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

01-27-2023, 12:57 PM	#17
6600DURAMAX Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wheatfield IN, USA Posts: 1,124	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked subscribed __________________ 1972 K5 - LS3/408 (595Hp) -6L80e-One Tons with 4.56, 20'' Beadlocks with 37'' rubber, full TMI interior, JL Audio ..... 1971 CREWMAX Build.....at body shop for couple more years

01-31-2023, 07:20 PM	#18
K10-Kansas Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Kansas City Posts: 497	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked CPP is claiming that all C10 trucks have offset gear selection indicators Attached Images __________________ 1971 C10 manual cab. 76 4x4 chassis. Cut short frame. Carbureted Blueprint 350, automatic 700r4. ~ James

01-31-2023, 09:55 PM	#19
best view Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: newbury new hampsire Posts: 2,164	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked Now that’s funny I’d tell them the experts in this truck club are seeing this and all potential customers

01-31-2023, 10:27 PM	#20
Johnl48 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: West milford nj Posts: 326	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked Tilt column I got here from Don D lined up perfectly. No issues



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02-01-2023, 08:33 AM	#22
K10-Kansas Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Kansas City Posts: 497	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked I need some pictures to show the CPP representative that the indicator housing should be centered. Could you all post some pictures in this thread? __________________ 1971 C10 manual cab. 76 4x4 chassis. Cut short frame. Carbureted Blueprint 350, automatic 700r4. ~ James

02-01-2023, 09:40 AM	#23
special-K Special Order Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mt Airy, MD Posts: 85,851	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked I'd tell Moises Perez to let me talk to your QC Dept. so they can convince me as easily as they convinced you, with a poor and incorrect answer! Oh but wait, the customer in the store confirmed it. My bad. The thousands of people who think the indicator should sit square, based on the view from the driver seat or their truck, are wrong. Or, maybe he should have asked that customer if his column was a CPP as well. __________________ "BUILDING A BETTER WAY TO SERVE THE USA"......67/72......"The New Breed" GMC '67 C1500 Wideside Super Custom SWB: 327/M22/3.42 posi.........."The '67" (project) GMC '72 K2500 Wideside Sierra Custom Camper: 350/TH350/4.10 Power-Lok..."The '72" (rolling) Tim "Don't call me a redneck. I'm a rough cut country gentleman" R.I.P. ~ East Side Low Life ~ El Jay ~ 72BLUZ ~ Fasteddie69 ~ Ron586 ~ 67ChevyRedneck ~ Grumpy Old Man ~

02-01-2023, 12:32 PM	#24
Jason Banks Senior Member Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: TX Posts: 1,624	Re: Classic performance parts steering wheel crooked CPP doesn't give a damn. My dealings with them were similar, they will do anything but admit their parts are poorly designed..

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