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**lolife99** · 07-23-2013, 12:18 PM

I would also remove the front sway bar mount and attach it directly to the frame rails.

**robnolimit** · 07-23-2013, 12:42 PM

OK, first I answered, then I read all of the posts. Thanks a bunch for defending our company, and our products, or at least giving us the benefit of the doubt. We were on the road for a few weeks traveling to Des Moines, Ridetech, then Columbus, finally Knoxville, and it's tought to stay connected sometimes. There is definately more than one way to skin a cat, and everyone is free to seek their own solutions. Thanks for giving us a try. I'm sure you'll be happy once your on the road. All in all this is a pretty small hickup.
As to the concerns about ackerman, this part of the steering/suspension geometry is determined mostly by the steering arm location on the spindle. A small amount of the geometry can be modified by shifting the inner TRE pivit point fore and aft. The real question is, Why haven't any of the beloved spindle manufacturers changed the steering arm position to make the truck turn in better?
Mondo, let us all know how it goes, and if the guys working on it have any questions, have them call the shop, 909-386-7637.

**robnolimit** · 07-23-2013, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolife99

I would also remove the front sway bar mount and attach it directly to the frame rails.

I agree, good catch, I missed that in the picts. Thanks.

Mondo · 07-23-2013, 08:09 PM

Thanks Rob (and Lolife99).
Will try those solutions out... just got to take care of an A/C problem and some little cosmetic things and she should be ready to go.
I'll fill you guys in, hopefully be done next week.

aggie91 · 07-25-2013, 10:27 PM

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Mondo · 09-29-2013, 04:19 PM

Sorry it took so long to get back, there were other issues to the rest of my project.
Well, the good news is that it drives awesome! It drives straight and true, even through bumps and dips in the road. The turning radius is good. No more constantly making little adjustments like driving a boat.
I did go to 2inch lowering springs instead of the 3inch I had on (now 4.5/6in drop). Also put new shocks on.
The bad news... I couldn't get the CPP sway bar to work with the rack & CPP lower tubular A-Arms. I think it's going to take some custom end links, with heim joints, to make it work. A project for another day. Though it's not like it used to be, it's not bad as to lean. I have a vinyl bench seat so too much Gs and I'm having to hold on to the steering wheel to keep from sliding anyway

I started another thread to show all I've done in the upgrade. You can see pics there... Just wanted everyone to know that the R&P is great for the average guy like me. Don't see any issues.

trenz68 · 09-29-2013, 05:36 PM

could you pm with the price of one of these kits, thanks

Mondo · 09-29-2013, 08:05 PM

In case anyone else wants to know:

http://www.brotherstrucks.com/prodin...number=PSRP087

http://www.nolimitparts.com/prodinfo...3GC%2DFT%2D500

Custom 68 · 09-30-2013, 02:49 PM

Mondo thanks for the update. There seems to be little "real world" experience or at least posts on that. Maybe I will do this someday like I hope...
Thanks
Dave

CHRIS67GMC · 09-30-2013, 08:36 PM

If there is any doubt on how well this works let me be the first to say I have cornered this setup at over 100 mph drove it at over 150 mph. It is a huge improvement over stock steering.

Video proof P.S. I have all No-Limit products on sale!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avOtkXzrWsI

Mondo · 09-30-2013, 08:52 PM

Chris,
Are you using AirRide or springs? Do you remember if you had to fab up a swaybar?

CHRIS67GMC · 09-30-2013, 09:14 PM

In the video its on air springs in the front. Now its on Shockwaves all around. I run a splined sway bar and a 10 inch wheel so yes I built my own bar. Its pretty easy and not to expensive.

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Mondo · 09-30-2013, 09:36 PM

Nice!

Custom 68 · 10-01-2013, 09:13 AM

Thanks for sharing Chris, that is a great setup and looks fun to drive.
Dave

aggie91 · 10-01-2013, 09:41 AM

Chris, Thanks for sharing.

Looks like your's is a No Limit Wide Ride front end, is that correct? Is the rack different than the rack Rob sells as a conversion for the stock corssmember?

Thanks,

blake's first · 10-04-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CHRIS67GMC

Attachment 1157648

Isn't that a tbird rack in your truck?

CHRIS67GMC · 10-08-2013, 08:47 AM

Sorry Guys been in Tx. The truck does have a wide ride in it now.

The rack in that picture is a Flaming River Billet Rack.

**xabichin67** · 10-09-2013, 12:01 PM

Hi Chris,

Is the set up you have driven at 150 and cornered at a 100 mph the wide ride with the billet rack or the stock crossmember with the retro fit rack No Limit sells?

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHRIS67GMC

If there is any doubt on how well this works let me be the first to say I have cornered this setup at over 100 mph drove it at over 150 mph. It is a huge improvement over stock steering.

Video proof P.S. I have all No-Limit products on sale!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avOtkXzrWsI

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHRIS67GMC

Sorry Guys been in Tx. The truck does have a wide ride in it now.

The rack in that picture is a Flaming River Billet Rack.

CHRIS67GMC · 10-09-2013, 01:21 PM

The video is the rack add on. Its now on wide ride. Have ran both at speed.

**xabichin67** · 10-09-2013, 03:24 PM

Do you have any pics set up with the add on rack?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHRIS67GMC

The video is the rack add on. Its now on wide ride. Have ran both at speed.

CHRIS67GMC · 10-09-2013, 04:17 PM

There is my build thread.

mmiddle · 10-28-2013, 02:07 PM

Rob/Chris, Did I catch this right.... Your kit uses the 99up Silverado rack?

**robnolimit** · 10-29-2013, 12:21 PM

Yes, these did start out as a Chevy 1/2 ton rack, the pass side housing is rotated, and the inner tie rod ends are custom machined. One big benefit is that seals, bushings, shafts, bearings and boots for these will be around for ever. Also, P/S hoses will be easy to fit by using the OE chevy hoses (99-08)

mmiddle · 10-30-2013, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robnolimit

Yes, these did start out as a Chevy 1/2 ton rack, the pass side housing is rotated, and the inner tie rod ends are custom machined. One big benefit is that seals, bushings, shafts, bearings and boots for these will be around for ever. Also, P/S hoses will be easy to fit by using the OE chevy hoses (99-08)

Crap... You guys are going to cost me a lot of money!

07-23-2013, 12:18 PM	#151
lolife99 67-72 parts collector,… Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-MO Posts: 22,700	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion I would also remove the front sway bar mount and attach it directly to the frame rails. __________________ Keith Convert to disc brakes. http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=444823

07-23-2013, 12:42 PM	#152
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion OK, first I answered, then I read all of the posts. Thanks a bunch for defending our company, and our products, or at least giving us the benefit of the doubt. We were on the road for a few weeks traveling to Des Moines, Ridetech, then Columbus, finally Knoxville, and it's tought to stay connected sometimes. There is definately more than one way to skin a cat, and everyone is free to seek their own solutions. Thanks for giving us a try. I'm sure you'll be happy once your on the road. All in all this is a pretty small hickup. As to the concerns about ackerman, this part of the steering/suspension geometry is determined mostly by the steering arm location on the spindle. A small amount of the geometry can be modified by shifting the inner TRE pivit point fore and aft. The real question is, Why haven't any of the beloved spindle manufacturers changed the steering arm position to make the truck turn in better? Mondo, let us all know how it goes, and if the guys working on it have any questions, have them call the shop, 909-386-7637. __________________ GoodGuys 2012 Pro-Truck Champion 2012 Truckin' Throwdown Champion GoodGuys 2011 National Champion 2011 Truckin' Throwdown Champion GoodGuys 2010 National Champion Proud to put our products up against all others!

07-23-2013, 08:09 PM	#154
Mondo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 538	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Thanks Rob (and Lolife99). Will try those solutions out... just got to take care of an A/C problem and some little cosmetic things and she should be ready to go. I'll fill you guys in, hopefully be done next week.

07-25-2013, 10:27 PM	#155
aggie91 I'm just glad to be here! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Longview, TX Posts: 4,788	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Posted via Mobile Device

09-29-2013, 04:19 PM	#156
Mondo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 538	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Sorry it took so long to get back, there were other issues to the rest of my project. Well, the good news is that it drives awesome! It drives straight and true, even through bumps and dips in the road. The turning radius is good. No more constantly making little adjustments like driving a boat. I did go to 2inch lowering springs instead of the 3inch I had on (now 4.5/6in drop). Also put new shocks on. The bad news... I couldn't get the CPP sway bar to work with the rack & CPP lower tubular A-Arms. I think it's going to take some custom end links, with heim joints, to make it work. A project for another day. Though it's not like it used to be, it's not bad as to lean. I have a vinyl bench seat so too much Gs and I'm having to hold on to the steering wheel to keep from sliding anyway I started another thread to show all I've done in the upgrade. You can see pics there... Just wanted everyone to know that the R&P is great for the average guy like me. Don't see any issues.

09-29-2013, 05:36 PM	#157
trenz68 Damage Inc Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Baytown Tx Posts: 336	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion could you pm with the price of one of these kits, thanks __________________ 05 CC- magnacharged,LTs,Gt-2 cam,3.73s,tru-trac,tuned-sold 01 ECSB- caddy-clipped,22/24 intros,cammed,layin-frame 04 RCSB-joe gibbs clone,22in billets 68 stepper build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=332337

09-29-2013, 08:05 PM	#158
Mondo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 538	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion In case anyone else wants to know: http://www.brotherstrucks.com/prodin...number=PSRP087 http://www.nolimitparts.com/prodinfo...3GC%2DFT%2D500

09-30-2013, 02:49 PM	#159
Custom 68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 2,939	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Mondo thanks for the update. There seems to be little "real world" experience or at least posts on that. Maybe I will do this someday like I hope... Thanks Dave __________________ Dave 1968 Custom Chevy with turbo charged 5.3 gen III 4l80e swap 1967-71 GMC 3/4 ton long step 4x4 (not sure what year exactly?) "A good friend will bail you out of jail...but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying "that was frekin awesome". "If it doesn't fit force it...If it breaks then it needed to be replaced anyway!"

09-30-2013, 08:52 PM	#161
Mondo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 538	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Chris, Are you using AirRide or springs? Do you remember if you had to fab up a swaybar?

09-30-2013, 09:14 PM	#162
CHRIS67GMC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tiffin Oh Posts: 299	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion In the video its on air springs in the front. Now its on Shockwaves all around. I run a splined sway bar and a 10 inch wheel so yes I built my own bar. Its pretty easy and not to expensive.

09-30-2013, 09:15 PM	#163
CHRIS67GMC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tiffin Oh Posts: 299	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion

09-30-2013, 09:36 PM	#164
Mondo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 538	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Nice!

10-01-2013, 09:13 AM	#165
Custom 68 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 2,939	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Thanks for sharing Chris, that is a great setup and looks fun to drive. Dave __________________ Dave 1968 Custom Chevy with turbo charged 5.3 gen III 4l80e swap 1967-71 GMC 3/4 ton long step 4x4 (not sure what year exactly?) "A good friend will bail you out of jail...but a true friend will be sitting next to you saying "that was frekin awesome". "If it doesn't fit force it...If it breaks then it needed to be replaced anyway!"

10-01-2013, 09:41 AM	#166
aggie91 I'm just glad to be here! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Longview, TX Posts: 4,788	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Chris, Thanks for sharing. Looks like your's is a No Limit Wide Ride front end, is that correct? Is the rack different than the rack Rob sells as a conversion for the stock corssmember? Thanks, __________________ Karl 1965 Chevy Stepside(Grandpa's Old Blue) and (July 2015 Shop Build!)(2020, the Saga Continues) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=372424 The LST Challenge: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...=1#post7812257 Korbin's 1st Square: "Sunburn" http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=418618 1985 GMC Sierra: "White Trash", Korbin's 2nd now... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=632305 Henry - 1984 Chevrolet, Owen's 1st Square

10-08-2013, 08:47 AM	#168
CHRIS67GMC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tiffin Oh Posts: 299	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Sorry Guys been in Tx. The truck does have a wide ride in it now. The rack in that picture is a Flaming River Billet Rack.



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10-09-2013, 01:21 PM	#170
CHRIS67GMC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tiffin Oh Posts: 299	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion The video is the rack add on. Its now on wide ride. Have ran both at speed.

10-09-2013, 04:17 PM	#172
CHRIS67GMC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tiffin Oh Posts: 299	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion There is my build thread.

10-28-2013, 02:07 PM	#173
mmiddle Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Forestburg, Texas Posts: 659	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Rob/Chris, Did I catch this right.... Your kit uses the 99up Silverado rack? __________________ Mark Jesus is the Way! 2003 2500HD CCLB Duramax/Ali (Clifford) 2014 2SS/RS black on black Camaro (Betty) 2006 Pontiac SOLSTICE silver/black (Lula-Bell) 1970 C/10 Short Wide (Peggy) 1964 C/10 Short Step (Hambone) RIP Jimmy Hamilton Thank you for the trucks

10-29-2013, 12:21 PM	#174
robnolimit Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Dandridge, Tn. USA Posts: 2,226	Re: 63-87 rack and pinion Yes, these did start out as a Chevy 1/2 ton rack, the pass side housing is rotated, and the inner tie rod ends are custom machined. One big benefit is that seals, bushings, shafts, bearings and boots for these will be around for ever. Also, P/S hoses will be easy to fit by using the OE chevy hoses (99-08) __________________ GoodGuys 2012 Pro-Truck Champion 2012 Truckin' Throwdown Champion GoodGuys 2011 National Champion 2011 Truckin' Throwdown Champion GoodGuys 2010 National Champion Proud to put our products up against all others!

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