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bad_turbo · 10-16-2006, 10:31 AM

These wheels are off my '69 dually. I need to get rid of them, so if anyone has any info about them, it would help.

Huskerboy2 · 10-16-2006, 11:14 AM

Those look like split rims to me. Take them to the dump. I just took a couple of mine there. They aren't worth anything.

**slomotion** · 10-16-2006, 01:23 PM

I have six of them myself. I stripped the tires and tubes, and put the wheels in the back of my storage shed. The only people I know that would be the slightest bit interested in them would be a die-hard restorer. The shops in my area won't even work on them without a cage to protect the mech. It seemed a shame to trash them to me, but they're surely not very useful in today's market.

What are you going to replace them with?

cdowns · 10-16-2006, 02:03 PM

if you put them in the garden you can grow 9 tomatoe plants in the sping thats the most you'll get out of them

**basketcase** · 10-16-2006, 02:13 PM

You can also bury them in the ground and use them for a fire pit. Split rims aren't safe to inflate unless you have a cage. I'd be affraid to sell them because of the liability involved. If one blew off the ring and killed or injured the person you sold it to or someone else, just think of the law suit that would follow. They'd claim that you knowingly sold them a defective and unsafe rim. Scrap them.

Tom

RSRXION · 10-16-2006, 05:50 PM

The idiot that invented split rims should be exhumed and beaten with the ring. These things have caused more injuries and deaths than all other tire/wheel accidents combined. They are worth something though. Scrap in my area is bringing 65.00 a ton. Based on that statistic, they should be worth about 85 cents each. JMHO, Dean

Longhorn Man · 10-16-2006, 05:59 PM

wow... scrap here is over 100 a ton for sheet and short, and like 135 for hubs and rotors.
I guess they are worth more to me than they are to RSRXION.

These are pretty much wothless... They are a liability, they are dangerouse to those who don't know how to use them, and they are even illegal in a couple states for use on public roads on light duty (one ton and less) trucks.

Werewolf · 10-16-2006, 06:57 PM

And here I was thinking about seeing if any diehard restorer was looking for a set of 6 lug split rims.

I remember my dad used to work on these things, he's one of the only people around that would do it, and he wasn't even a mechanic.

Maybe he was just suicidal... :P

CPNEJR · 10-16-2006, 07:16 PM

we had one blow apart while we were going down the road in our 1 ton in the spring and it basically ripped the rest of the rim to peices. get rid of them

longhorn70gmc · 10-16-2006, 08:55 PM

My old Longhorn bed just went for $3.40 out here to the recycle people because they went by weight, 340 pounds. I bought a beer with the money and just enjoyed it. Good thing is it is out of my yard.
I got rid of my rims. My Longhorn had a full set and no one would touch them. I was told they are illegal out here in Cali.
This is my 600th post!!!!!!! Ya hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Respectfully

bad_turbo · 10-19-2006, 01:39 AM

Yep, everyone that has actually looked at them, in person, has told me they are split rims and how dangerous they are. I was hoping I could find somebody that had some 16 inch dually wheels to trade for them. I don't care to try and get any money for them. Just want some rear 16's to match the front ones on this truck. The split rims are 18's. Heres a pic of the truck.

bad_turbo · 10-19-2006, 02:45 AM

another pic

**truckdude239** · 10-19-2006, 06:23 AM

they widow makers that what we call them at work they showed us a video of what happens then they not mounted right we aren't even alllow to touch them at my work. anyway goo luck getting rid of them

Werewolf · 10-19-2006, 06:36 AM

It's kind of a pity. Those things would look nice on that truck if you got 'em chromed.

Blue85 · 10-19-2006, 03:30 PM

These rims can be dangerous if you dont treat them right, making sure the rings are clean and not rusty, and above all tapping the ring with a hammer while slowly inflating them. I have changed hundreds of tires with these rims and never had a problem,i guess allit takes is one to blow up, then i might change my mind, most heavy equipment, graders and loaders etc. still come with split wheels from factory. Just my 2cents

alblogg · 10-19-2006, 07:57 PM

I found a good use for some we had instead of hauling them to the scrap yard get some round stock the same size as the hole in the middle take the tire off first, weld the stock in. I have my grinder on one I made four for jack stands to put under frames they are higher than regular stands and have a wider foot print. Then I made up a few more and made deals to hang doors or fenders or other parts up to be shot in the paint booth.

RSRXION · 10-19-2006, 10:42 PM

The salvage yards around here get 35.00 each for used 16" dually wheels. You should be able to get a set of 4 for about 125.00 and a set of stainless simulators go for about 100.00. I'm going to use simulators on mine unless I find a cheap set of Alcoas.........

Hey Longhorn ......... Are you calling me cheap ? Or tight ? or just thrifty ?

Longhorn Man · 10-20-2006, 09:21 PM

if anyone here is cheap... it would be me.

RSRXION · 10-20-2006, 11:19 PM

I prefer the term... " smart shopper ".

lukecp · 10-21-2006, 12:46 AM

Since I don't know, what exactly happens when a split rim fails and causes injury? Why are they called a "split" rim? Is the rim made of two ring-shaped halves? I've heard of them refrenced on this board many, many times, but never really known why they are so bad.

RSRXION · 10-21-2006, 08:06 AM

The wheel itself has no outer lip on it and makes putting the tire on east since it just slips over the wheel. BUT then you have to put the exterior ring , which has a split in it , around the wheel and the ring acts as the outer bead for the tire to press against. Unfortunately they are prone to come off of the wheel during inflation and yield some catastrophic damage to anything OR ANYONE nearby. They are the worst idea ever and should have been banned shortly after they were introduced. JMHO, Dean

Look closely at the top photo and you can see the locking split ring and the outer shell. The split is at the 11:00 position.

lukecp · 10-21-2006, 10:21 AM

Thanks, I can see why they are such a bad idea.

PanelDeland · 10-21-2006, 11:13 AM

alblogg had the same idea as I did.I think he came up with the best use unless you need a boat anchor(for a very small boat.)

10-16-2006, 10:31 AM	#1
bad_turbo turbo enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: carmichael, ca. Posts: 1,826	wheel identity help please These wheels are off my '69 dually. I need to get rid of them, so if anyone has any info about them, it would help. Attached Images __________________ "But daddy, I didn't hit them all with a stick"...what my 6 year old tells me when I pick him up from school early for fighting "

10-16-2006, 11:14 AM	#2
Huskerboy2 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Austin, Texas, USA Posts: 1,628	Re: wheel identity help please Those look like split rims to me. Take them to the dump. I just took a couple of mine there. They aren't worth anything. __________________ '72 Chevy Blazer

10-16-2006, 01:23 PM	#3
slomotion Old Duffer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 1,821	Re: wheel identity help please I have six of them myself. I stripped the tires and tubes, and put the wheels in the back of my storage shed. The only people I know that would be the slightest bit interested in them would be a die-hard restorer. The shops in my area won't even work on them without a cage to protect the mech. It seemed a shame to trash them to me, but they're surely not very useful in today's market. What are you going to replace them with? __________________ '68 Short C20 Flatbed Dually w/ 292 4bbl, Langdon cast headers, and WC T5 trans. '81 G10 Shorty Van "Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement." Will Rogers "Under promise, then over achieve."

10-16-2006, 02:03 PM	#4
cdowns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: daytonabeach Posts: 22,956	Re: wheel identity help please if you put them in the garden you can grow 9 tomatoe plants in the sping thats the most you'll get out of them __________________ 71c-10 350/2004r/4:11 lowered3/4 longbed/dead by hurricane MEANING OF DEATH::::: SOMEBODY ELSE GETS YOUR STUFF DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK TAKE MY ADVISE;I DON'T USE IT ANYWAY

10-16-2006, 02:13 PM	#5
basketcase Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Edgerton OH USA Posts: 628	Re: wheel identity help please You can also bury them in the ground and use them for a fire pit. Split rims aren't safe to inflate unless you have a cage. I'd be affraid to sell them because of the liability involved. If one blew off the ring and killed or injured the person you sold it to or someone else, just think of the law suit that would follow. They'd claim that you knowingly sold them a defective and unsafe rim. Scrap them. Tom __________________ '69 swb stepside in progress. '59 Corvette lifetime project

10-16-2006, 05:50 PM	#6
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: wheel identity help please The idiot that invented split rims should be exhumed and beaten with the ring. These things have caused more injuries and deaths than all other tire/wheel accidents combined. They are worth something though. Scrap in my area is bringing 65.00 a ton. Based on that statistic, they should be worth about 85 cents each. JMHO, Dean __________________ "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

10-16-2006, 05:59 PM	#7
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: wheel identity help please wow... scrap here is over 100 a ton for sheet and short, and like 135 for hubs and rotors. I guess they are worth more to me than they are to RSRXION. These are pretty much wothless... They are a liability, they are dangerouse to those who don't know how to use them, and they are even illegal in a couple states for use on public roads on light duty (one ton and less) trucks.

10-16-2006, 06:57 PM	#8
Werewolf Woof? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 276	Re: wheel identity help please And here I was thinking about seeing if any diehard restorer was looking for a set of 6 lug split rims. I remember my dad used to work on these things, he's one of the only people around that would do it, and he wasn't even a mechanic. Maybe he was just suicidal... :P __________________ 1968 LWB CST BB 2004 Avalanche Z71 LT3. 2003 S-10 ZR2 (hers). 1997 Astro 1992 Caprice wagon, 500k stock miles. Nursing wounds after a bad wreck. 1997 Saturn - need gas mileage from something!

10-16-2006, 07:16 PM	#9
CPNEJR Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Franconia,N.H. Posts: 1,029	Re: wheel identity help please we had one blow apart while we were going down the road in our 1 ton in the spring and it basically ripped the rest of the rim to peices. get rid of them __________________ (Only) Member of the CPNE Fan Club Aint that the truth 67 C-10 350 with 3-speed tranny and 308 gears swb step 82 Z28 Camaro 355 small block over 350 hp and a borg warner super t-10 (blown engine) 72 Chevy K20 Suburban (future project) 70 Chevy K20 now 68 GMC K2500 2003 Chevy 2500hd ccsb 4X4 (daily driver)

10-16-2006, 08:55 PM	#10
longhorn70gmc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Ridgecrest. CA, USA Posts: 1,715	Re: wheel identity help please My old Longhorn bed just went for $3.40 out here to the recycle people because they went by weight, 340 pounds. I bought a beer with the money and just enjoyed it. Good thing is it is out of my yard. I got rid of my rims. My Longhorn had a full set and no one would touch them. I was told they are illegal out here in Cali. This is my 600th post!!!!!!! Ya hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Respectfully __________________ Billy 1970 GMC Sierra Grande 402/TH400 (Longhorn)14 years and counting rebuild! 1975 (Build) Chevrolet SWB 4X4 350 SB Lifted 6 inches 1970 Ford F250 Ranger 390 BB 2010 Ford Super Duty F250 XLT W/4 inch lift kit and Pro Comp Tires Hub Cap Freak! *I need another truck like I need another hole in the head!* I'M IN THE MARKET...AS IT WERE!

10-19-2006, 01:39 AM	#11
bad_turbo turbo enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: carmichael, ca. Posts: 1,826	Re: wheel identity help please Yep, everyone that has actually looked at them, in person, has told me they are split rims and how dangerous they are. I was hoping I could find somebody that had some 16 inch dually wheels to trade for them. I don't care to try and get any money for them. Just want some rear 16's to match the front ones on this truck. The split rims are 18's. Heres a pic of the truck. Attached Images __________________ "But daddy, I didn't hit them all with a stick"...what my 6 year old tells me when I pick him up from school early for fighting "

10-19-2006, 02:45 AM	#12
bad_turbo turbo enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: carmichael, ca. Posts: 1,826	Re: wheel identity help please another pic Attached Images __________________ "But daddy, I didn't hit them all with a stick"...what my 6 year old tells me when I pick him up from school early for fighting "

10-19-2006, 06:23 AM	#13
truckdude239 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lewisville, Nc Posts: 10,233	Re: wheel identity help please they widow makers that what we call them at work they showed us a video of what happens then they not mounted right we aren't even alllow to touch them at my work. anyway goo luck getting rid of them __________________ David fuller Ase Certified Mechanic Click here to help support our board!! 1971 Chevy c-10 under going a 4.8l LSx swap Build Thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=421305 2007 Honda Accord my daily 145kmiles 2002 Honda Accord 4 door With 330k(sisters car) 2005 toyota Avalon 228k( brothers car) 2002 Sububran 5.3 245k 2000 Tahoe 5.3l 378 General manager for Marco's Carwash & lube

10-19-2006, 06:36 AM	#14
Werewolf Woof? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 276	Re: wheel identity help please It's kind of a pity. Those things would look nice on that truck if you got 'em chromed. __________________ 1968 LWB CST BB 2004 Avalanche Z71 LT3. 2003 S-10 ZR2 (hers). 1997 Astro 1992 Caprice wagon, 500k stock miles. Nursing wounds after a bad wreck. 1997 Saturn - need gas mileage from something!

10-19-2006, 03:30 PM	#15
Blue85 Oilfield Trash Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Raymore, Sk, Canada, Earth Posts: 3,171	Re: wheel identity help please These rims can be dangerous if you dont treat them right, making sure the rings are clean and not rusty, and above all tapping the ring with a hammer while slowly inflating them. I have changed hundreds of tires with these rims and never had a problem,i guess allit takes is one to blow up, then i might change my mind, most heavy equipment, graders and loaders etc. still come with split wheels from factory. Just my 2cents __________________ 14 Dodge 3500 Mega Cab 08 Dodge 3500 Mega Cab 87 Chev 3+3 4x4 80 GMC K10 High Sierra bone stock 70 Chevelle 350SS long term project 68 GMC 3ton Grain Truck/Garbage wagon 50 Pontiac 2 Door Coupe Project "I've got a shotgun rifle and a 4 wheel drive and a country boy can survive" Hank Jr.



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10-19-2006, 07:57 PM	#16
alblogg Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NC Posts: 62	Re: wheel identity help please I found a good use for some we had instead of hauling them to the scrap yard get some round stock the same size as the hole in the middle take the tire off first, weld the stock in. I have my grinder on one I made four for jack stands to put under frames they are higher than regular stands and have a wider foot print. Then I made up a few more and made deals to hang doors or fenders or other parts up to be shot in the paint booth. __________________ '07 G6 Wife's car '00 Malibu stock, just a parts getter. '99 Blazer LT Loaded, K&N Filter, Pioneer Super Tuner,Viper '88 K1500 Cheyenne, 5.0, stock, bought new '86 Nissan 720 Trash Truck '69 C/10 step side, 307, all original, second owner, in process of restore. The person who says it cannot be done should not interrurt the person doing it. Share your knowledge. It is a way to achieve immortality. Allen- Paintman Wrenchtwister Broompusher

10-19-2006, 10:42 PM	#17
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: wheel identity help please The salvage yards around here get 35.00 each for used 16" dually wheels. You should be able to get a set of 4 for about 125.00 and a set of stainless simulators go for about 100.00. I'm going to use simulators on mine unless I find a cheap set of Alcoas......... Hey Longhorn ......... Are you calling me cheap ? Or tight ? or just thrifty ? __________________ "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin Last edited by RSRXION; 10-20-2006 at 12:50 AM.

10-20-2006, 09:21 PM	#18
Longhorn Man its all about the +6 inches Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Hilliard Ohio Posts: 2,693	Re: wheel identity help please if anyone here is cheap... it would be me.

10-20-2006, 11:19 PM	#19
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: wheel identity help please I prefer the term... " smart shopper ". __________________ "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

10-21-2006, 12:46 AM	#20
lukecp Formerly yellow72custom Join Date: May 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 7,531	Re: wheel identity help please Since I don't know, what exactly happens when a split rim fails and causes injury? Why are they called a "split" rim? Is the rim made of two ring-shaped halves? I've heard of them refrenced on this board many, many times, but never really known why they are so bad. __________________ '72 Chevy C10 Mild 350/TH350/3.07. Ochre/White. Old high school ride. '70 GMC C2500 '62 327 4bbl/SM465/4.56-geared Dana 60. White/White. Project or parts truck. '97 Saturn SL DD. 1.9/5-speed. 40+ highway mpg

10-21-2006, 08:06 AM	#21
RSRXION Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 227	Re: wheel identity help please The wheel itself has no outer lip on it and makes putting the tire on east since it just slips over the wheel. BUT then you have to put the exterior ring , which has a split in it , around the wheel and the ring acts as the outer bead for the tire to press against. Unfortunately they are prone to come off of the wheel during inflation and yield some catastrophic damage to anything OR ANYONE nearby. They are the worst idea ever and should have been banned shortly after they were introduced. JMHO, Dean Look closely at the top photo and you can see the locking split ring and the outer shell. The split is at the 11:00 position. __________________ "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin Last edited by RSRXION; 10-21-2006 at 08:07 AM.

10-21-2006, 10:21 AM	#22
lukecp Formerly yellow72custom Join Date: May 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 7,531	Re: wheel identity help please Thanks, I can see why they are such a bad idea. __________________ '72 Chevy C10 Mild 350/TH350/3.07. Ochre/White. Old high school ride. '70 GMC C2500 '62 327 4bbl/SM465/4.56-geared Dana 60. White/White. Project or parts truck. '97 Saturn SL DD. 1.9/5-speed. 40+ highway mpg

10-21-2006, 11:13 AM	#23
PanelDeland I am a Referee of life. Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Greensboro N.C. Posts: 13,993	Re: wheel identity help please alblogg had the same idea as I did.I think he came up with the best use unless you need a boat anchor(for a very small boat.) __________________ The 47-present Chevrolet and GMC Truck Message Board Network,it's owners,moderators,members,and associates of any type should not be held responsible for my opinion. You can't fix stupid,not even with duct tape. "My appearance is due to the fact that "GOD" does punish you for having too much fun!" Barrett-Jackson has perfected alchemy,they make rust into gold! "You can lead a horse to water but you can't saddle a duck" "Cleverly disguised as a 'Responsible Adult' "Sometimes your Knight in shining armor is just a retard in tinfoil"

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