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Krwright · 03-20-2014, 12:45 AM

Anyone have a wiring schematic for an 85. I need the interior and engine bay schematic. I'm installing a painless truck harness. The wires are labeled well as stated but I'm uncertain which wire goes on which place on the plugs. Headlights, parking light and all the interior plugs

1981Stepside · 03-20-2014, 08:07 PM

The user you're looking for is hatzie. He has most of the factory service manuals scanned all with wiring diagrams

84chevyguyid · 03-20-2014, 10:19 PM

Did you buy the one that fits in place of the factory fuse block? Looking at going that route with one of mine. Do a search for Hatzie and you should be able to find his wiring diagrams. Subscribing, want to see the finished product.

Mike

cjlloyd81 · 03-21-2014, 02:53 AM

Here's the post y'all were talking about...

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=545416

cjlloyd81 · 03-21-2014, 02:55 AM

Also if you need I just received the Shop Manual and the Service Manual for my '86 P/U. The actual GM ones. Got them off Amazon for like $30 total and they're in GREAT shape! If I can scan anything in for you that hatzie hasn't let me know.

Krwright · 03-21-2014, 03:40 AM

I bought #10103 it was supposed to fit in factory hole but it won't. The bulkhead doesn't split like a factory harness. It was also supposed to have the column plugs wired but they weren't. That's where I'm having trouble. You only get one shot with their plugs once you insert the terminal there's no pulling it out. I have pulled my hair out today trying to figure it out with a test light. Thanks for posting the link to the schematic that helps a bunch.

84chevyguyid · 03-21-2014, 08:28 AM

The one I am going to use is a 10205. The one you used says universal, maybe thats why it doesnt fit the firewall like the stocker.You can buy removal tools to pull the terminals back out.

Mike

**hatzie** · 03-21-2014, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjlloyd81

Also if you need I just received the Shop Manual and the Service Manual for my '86 P/U. The actual GM ones. Got them off Amazon for like $30 total and they're in GREAT shape! If I can scan anything in for you that hatzie hasn't let me know.

Complete '84 & '85 are the ones that are proving difficult to find... I have the 86 Unit manual I just haven't found the time to feed it to the scanner.

X2 on the printed manuals. Get them and use the PDF for the easy search.

softballnrd27 · 03-21-2014, 10:58 AM

No wiring is painless.

Redcap · 03-21-2014, 11:00 AM

Wiring is easy, just time consuming.

Gordonr1973 · 03-21-2014, 07:45 PM

Painless Wiring = Painful Wiring

You have the universal (which I'm sure all of their kits are pretty much universal).

You will need to reuse your old headlight harness as well as the dual tank harness.

What I found to help was to lay our the harnesses side by side and figure out which connectors you will need to reuse / pry off your old harness and put on the Painful harness.

Krwright · 03-21-2014, 08:02 PM

Thanks for the link. It's coming along not to bad but not easy either. I had to cut the million zip ties off and rearrange it to fit. This came with headlight wiring and new headlight sockets but that's the only connectors you get other than under the dash. I got the fuse block mounted and wires roughly ran. I'm making it harder than it should be by testing everything a thousand times before cutting anything. One more day and should have it done.

**hatzie** · 03-21-2014, 10:34 PM

Good wiring takes plenty of time and lots of patience.
There's no such thing as being too careful or taking too much time.
It's easier to do it right the first time than to clean it up afterward.

Krwright · 03-21-2014, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatzie

Good wiring takes plenty of time and lots of patience.
There's no such thing as being too careful or taking too much time.
It's easier to do it right the first time than to clean it up afterward.

It's a k30. I was looking over the tail section wires and noticed one was labeled "to dome". Would that be for a superburb rear dome light?

**hatzie** · 03-21-2014, 11:11 PM

If this is #10103 this is the install manual from Painless. --> http://www.painlessperformance.com/Manuals/10103.pdf

It looks like there are 2 dome wires in that harness White power and Black ground. The original GM harness uses White Ground and Orange hot in the Dome circuit... just to add to the confusion.
In the above PDF Jump to page 29 paragraphs 10.4.1 & 10.4.1

GM dome & floor "courtesy" lights use a switched ground and unswitched hots described in 10.4.1

I posted a quick and dirty diagram of the dome system to assist some folks a while ago. It doesn't show the "key present" buzzer wire on the driver door jamb switch...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...75&postcount=6

03-20-2014, 08:07 PM	#2
1981Stepside Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Port Coquitlam, BC Posts: 202	Re: Painless harness not so painless The user you're looking for is hatzie. He has most of the factory service manuals scanned all with wiring diagrams __________________ Proud UA member since 2009 My LT1 Silverado build-up: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=549660 Check out my new YouTube channel! - https://youtube.com/channel/UCXk5mZOQI1sEnu5bIkhe7fA

03-20-2014, 10:19 PM	#3
84chevyguyid Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Mud Lake, Idaho Posts: 346	Re: Painless harness not so painless Did you buy the one that fits in place of the factory fuse block? Looking at going that route with one of mine. Do a search for Hatzie and you should be able to find his wiring diagrams. Subscribing, want to see the finished product. Mike

03-21-2014, 02:53 AM	#4
cjlloyd81 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 58	Re: Painless harness not so painless Here's the post y'all were talking about... http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=545416 __________________ 1966 Dorsett Daytona - 16'6" Fiberglass boat "Suits Us" 1972 Chevrolet P30 Motorhome - "Giddy Up Go" 1986 GMC C3500 High Sierra Custom - "Ruby" 2007 Chevrolet Avalanche - "Faith"

03-21-2014, 02:55 AM	#5
cjlloyd81 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 58	Re: Painless harness not so painless Also if you need I just received the Shop Manual and the Service Manual for my '86 P/U. The actual GM ones. Got them off Amazon for like $30 total and they're in GREAT shape! If I can scan anything in for you that hatzie hasn't let me know. __________________ 1966 Dorsett Daytona - 16'6" Fiberglass boat "Suits Us" 1972 Chevrolet P30 Motorhome - "Giddy Up Go" 1986 GMC C3500 High Sierra Custom - "Ruby" 2007 Chevrolet Avalanche - "Faith"

03-21-2014, 03:40 AM	#6
Krwright Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Ravenswood Wv Posts: 86	Re: Painless harness not so painless I bought #10103 it was supposed to fit in factory hole but it won't. The bulkhead doesn't split like a factory harness. It was also supposed to have the column plugs wired but they weren't. That's where I'm having trouble. You only get one shot with their plugs once you insert the terminal there's no pulling it out. I have pulled my hair out today trying to figure it out with a test light. Thanks for posting the link to the schematic that helps a bunch. __________________ i do my burn outs in 4wd

03-20-2014, 12:45 AM	#1
Krwright Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Ravenswood Wv Posts: 86	Painless harness not so painless Anyone have a wiring schematic for an 85. I need the interior and engine bay schematic. I'm installing a painless truck harness. The wires are labeled well as stated but I'm uncertain which wire goes on which place on the plugs. Headlights, parking light and all the interior plugs __________________ i do my burn outs in 4wd

03-21-2014, 08:28 AM	#7
84chevyguyid Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Mud Lake, Idaho Posts: 346	Re: Painless harness not so painless The one I am going to use is a 10205. The one you used says universal, maybe thats why it doesnt fit the firewall like the stocker.You can buy removal tools to pull the terminals back out. Mike

03-21-2014, 10:58 AM	#9
softballnrd27 Always a work in progress Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Harker Heights, TX Posts: 1,599	Re: Painless harness not so painless No wiring is painless. __________________ USMC Retired Never trust a man who can't laugh at his own fart! 2010 Silverado Crew Cab 73 SWB 5.3/4l80e Build Thread: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=695168

03-21-2014, 11:00 AM	#10
Redcap Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lewis County, WA Posts: 1,523	Re: Painless harness not so painless Wiring is easy, just time consuming. __________________ '77 K35 - 454, SM465/NP205, 4.56 D60/14bFF

03-21-2014, 07:45 PM	#11
Gordonr1973 Home Built '87 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada Posts: 1,829	Re: Painless harness not so painless Painless Wiring = Painful Wiring You have the universal (which I'm sure all of their kits are pretty much universal). You will need to reuse your old headlight harness as well as the dual tank harness. What I found to help was to lay our the harnesses side by side and figure out which connectors you will need to reuse / pry off your old harness and put on the Painful harness. __________________ Gordon 1998 White Chev ext cab 2WD (Summer Project) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=408424 1987 Chev Silverado SWB (Winter Project Rebuild) http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=424833 Truck Club http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=466969

03-21-2014, 08:02 PM	#12
Krwright Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Ravenswood Wv Posts: 86	Re: Painless harness not so painless Thanks for the link. It's coming along not to bad but not easy either. I had to cut the million zip ties off and rearrange it to fit. This came with headlight wiring and new headlight sockets but that's the only connectors you get other than under the dash. I got the fuse block mounted and wires roughly ran. I'm making it harder than it should be by testing everything a thousand times before cutting anything. One more day and should have it done. __________________ i do my burn outs in 4wd

03-21-2014, 10:34 PM	#13
hatzie Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wentworth, NH Posts: 4,968	Re: Painless harness not so painless Good wiring takes plenty of time and lots of patience. There's no such thing as being too careful or taking too much time. It's easier to do it right the first time than to clean it up afterward. __________________ 1959 M35A2 LDT465-1D SOLD 1967 Dodge W200 B383, NP420/NP201 SOLD 1969 Dodge Polara 500 B383, A833 SOLD 1972 Ford F250 FE390, NP435/NP205 SOLD 1976 Chevy K20, 6.5L, NV4500/NP208 SOLD 1986 M1008 CUCV SOLD 2000 GMC C2500, TD6.5L, NV4500 2005 Chevy Silverado LS 2500HD 6.0L 4L80E/NP263 2009 Impala SS LS4 V8 RTFM... GM Parts Books, GM Schematics, GM service manuals, and GM training materials... 1973-1991 GM Light Truck Service, Unit/Overhaul, Wiring Manuals, Parts Books and Some 1968-1999 GM Service Training textbooks in PDF 1988-1998 GMT400 CK service manual project 1988-1993 GMT400 CK parts books. 1967-1972 GM Light, Medium, & Heavy Truck Service Manuals in PDF Please include at least the year and model in your threads. It'll be easier to answer your questions. And please let us know if and how your repairs were successful.

03-21-2014, 11:11 PM	#15
hatzie Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wentworth, NH Posts: 4,968	Re: Painless harness not so painless If this is #10103 this is the install manual from Painless. --> http://www.painlessperformance.com/Manuals/10103.pdf It looks like there are 2 dome wires in that harness White power and Black ground. The original GM harness uses White Ground and Orange hot in the Dome circuit... just to add to the confusion. In the above PDF Jump to page 29 paragraphs 10.4.1 & 10.4.1 GM dome & floor "courtesy" lights use a switched ground and unswitched hots described in 10.4.1 I posted a quick and dirty diagram of the dome system to assist some folks a while ago. It doesn't show the "key present" buzzer wire on the driver door jamb switch...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...75&postcount=6 __________________ 1959 M35A2 LDT465-1D SOLD 1967 Dodge W200 B383, NP420/NP201 SOLD 1969 Dodge Polara 500 B383, A833 SOLD 1972 Ford F250 FE390, NP435/NP205 SOLD 1976 Chevy K20, 6.5L, NV4500/NP208 SOLD 1986 M1008 CUCV SOLD 2000 GMC C2500, TD6.5L, NV4500 2005 Chevy Silverado LS 2500HD 6.0L 4L80E/NP263 2009 Impala SS LS4 V8 RTFM... GM Parts Books, GM Schematics, GM service manuals, and GM training materials... 1973-1991 GM Light Truck Service, Unit/Overhaul, Wiring Manuals, Parts Books and Some 1968-1999 GM Service Training textbooks in PDF 1988-1998 GMT400 CK service manual project 1988-1993 GMT400 CK parts books. 1967-1972 GM Light, Medium, & Heavy Truck Service Manuals in PDF Please include at least the year and model in your threads. It'll be easier to answer your questions. And please let us know if and how your repairs were successful.



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