Titles and reality. 1966 C10 - The 1947 - Present Chevrolet & GMC Truck Message Board Network

Robert Haas · 12-27-2019, 05:53 PM

I bought a barn find 1966 C10 from the original owner. He bought the truck in 1965/ He has always referred to it as a 65. The title states it is a 1965. It even has a 1965 Owners manual in the glove box. However the Vin comes back as a 1966. I advertised it originally as a 65 and was called to the carpet by the knowledgeable folks that sent me to research the VIN and sure as heck the VIN confirmed that I was wrong.

The DMV states they have no way of correcting it. How can that be possible?

**jayoldschool** · 12-27-2019, 06:54 PM

Things to look for:
- C10 emblem placement
- VIN on door frame vs stamping on driver's frame rail
- SPID sticker in glove box

There are a few more differences between 65s and 66s.

Is this the black truck?

**Clyde65** · 12-27-2019, 06:57 PM

If the VIN 5th digit is 6, then it’s a 66

Robert Haas · 12-27-2019, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayoldschool

Things to look for:
- C10 emblem placement
- VIN on door frame vs stamping on driver's frame rail
- SPID sticker in glove box

There are a few more differences between 65s and 66s.

Is this the black truck?

Yes sir.

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Lil Loafer · 12-27-2019, 08:46 PM

The emblem on the drivers side is a 66. My thought is that it is a early 66 produced part way through 65 and titled as such for whatever reason.

**The Rocknrod** · 12-27-2019, 09:23 PM

I used to be a vehicle verifyer in CA. Find one.

rickywideglide · 12-27-2019, 10:22 PM

I believe instrument bezel was silver in 66 as well

oem4me · 12-27-2019, 11:25 PM

E brake set up is new for 66. Take a look at that.
This truck may have been stashed in a barn for a long time, but from what I've seen, it's not quite the untouched "barn find" that gets our blood pumping. The truck has at some point been totally gone over. New paint inside and out, new upholstery, whole new engine, replaced bedwood, etc. My point is, even if a vehicle stays in a single family, that's no guarantee that all records remain intact/accurate and the vehicle itself remains exactly like it was built. Just sayin.

LostMy65 · 12-28-2019, 12:25 AM

The dash color doesn't look right for a 65 or 66

LostMy65 · 12-28-2019, 12:28 AM

Also, does it have backup lights?
I can't quite tell from this pic.

**60-66** · 12-28-2019, 10:14 AM

The VIN has to match the frame. I doubt the spid is still there being that the dash was repainted. If its there and frame matches door jamb VIN , ask Yelmer to help you determine when the truck was built , meaning the month of production . With all that's been done to this truck a lot more investigating is needed. If original drivetrain is there , dates on all the castings will help also . If not ?

**jocko** · 12-28-2019, 02:33 PM

Is there a SPID? If yes, to me, that clinches it as a 66 (65s didn’t have them). If it doesn’t have a SPID, then it really doesn’t mean anything because it could have been removed during the repaint as pointed out above. With a repaint in its history, fender emblems don’t really matter, fenders get replaced all the time, regardless of what owners say. Bottom line, if VIN is a 66, it’s a 66, and was likely bought very early in the model year and the original DMV lady titled it as a “new” 65 in October or November 65. That is also likely why the original owner thought of it as a 65 - ie that’s when he bought it. Just because he is the original owner, it doesn’t mean that everything he says is gospel. Having said all that, am not surprised DMV said they cannot fix this. It might get fixed in a transaction, but not easily - would likely require the State Police and a new, non-sensical issued VIN, so I’d probably just leave it like it is.

63burban · 12-28-2019, 07:38 PM

Could simply be a mis-print on the title or more likely the truck was in an accident at one time and repaired with 66 fenders and cowl extensions.

**Clyde65** · 12-28-2019, 11:19 PM

New year model cars and trucks were started to be built around August of the year before, factory builds stopped around June of model year.

sstock · 12-29-2019, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 63burban

Could simply be a mis-print on the title or more likely the truck was in an accident at one time and repaired with 66 fenders and cowl extensions.

Ditto, I just recently retitled my 64 GMC from Oregon to Wa, the lady at the Licensing office copied the VIN incorrectly, but I caught it and made her fix it on the spot, plus before surrendering your old out of state titles, make a copy for further authentication.

b454rat · 12-29-2019, 02:20 PM

Does it have a th350? I thought 66 was the first year for it...

**dtkarst** · 12-29-2019, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by b454rat

Does it have a th350? I thought 66 was the first year for it...

The th350 didn’t come out until 1969 if I’m not mistaken. They are “rumors” I guess is the best way to put it about very very few 66 half tons with a turbo 400 but I haven’t been able to find out a for sure answer on if it was a real option for a half ton pickup. Although I’ve seen info of them in 3/4 ton and up trucks. Almost bought an optioned out 66 that claimed to have the original turbo 400 in it but the guy would never give me any transmission numbers or info or even pictures of it.

**Clyde65** · 12-30-2019, 10:15 AM

There was a Hydromatic 400, with weird shift placements

**PGSigns** · 12-30-2019, 10:30 AM

I have seen some vehicles in the past that look like they were titled based off the MSO date of manufacture for what ever reason when they were sold. This may be one of them.
Jimmy

Robert Haas · 12-30-2019, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 63burban

Could simply be a mis-print on the title or more likely the truck was in an accident at one time and repaired with 66 fenders and cowl extensions.

Truck has never so much as had a shopping cart roll into it.

I shot this video the first week I had it.
Put it up on my lift and you can see for your self how unblemished this truck is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21BxnsFLXFA&t=69s

Robert Haas · 12-30-2019, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b454rat

Does it have a th350? I thought 66 was the first year for it...

Truck has 3 speed manual column shift

sstock · 12-30-2019, 11:34 AM

Fantastic condition, do a vid on the inside of the cab and engine/bed too. We love this stuff.
Steve

**GMCNUT** · 12-30-2019, 11:44 AM

in many states vehicles got titled as the year sold vs the actual year model. This is most likely a 66 truck titled as a 65 because it was bought in the Fall of 65 when the new 66's hit the lots. Not sure what difference it makes in the first place but if the DMV won't change it, then you'll just have to live with it

Robert Haas · 12-30-2019, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sstock

Fantastic condition, do a vid on the inside of the cab and engine/bed too. We love this stuff.
Steve

Here you go

walk around, engine and start up

closer look

**The Rocknrod** · 12-30-2019, 12:00 PM

The reason I said to find a vehicle verifyer is that he can fill out a form stating a VIN correction and the DMV will correct the VIN.
I have done it. I also had a 40 Ford Coupe I owned that needed it done.
Some car dealerships have a guy licensed as such.

12-27-2019, 05:53 PM	#1
Robert Haas Registered User Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Salinas Ca. Posts: 625	Titles and reality. 1966 C10 I bought a barn find 1966 C10 from the original owner. He bought the truck in 1965/ He has always referred to it as a 65. The title states it is a 1965. It even has a 1965 Owners manual in the glove box. However the Vin comes back as a 1966. I advertised it originally as a 65 and was called to the carpet by the knowledgeable folks that sent me to research the VIN and sure as heck the VIN confirmed that I was wrong. The DMV states they have no way of correcting it. How can that be possible? __________________ Our 1965 GMC big block pro mod build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=746098

12-27-2019, 06:54 PM	#2
jayoldschool Moderator Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: ON, Canada Posts: 2,159	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 Things to look for: - C10 emblem placement - VIN on door frame vs stamping on driver's frame rail - SPID sticker in glove box There are a few more differences between 65s and 66s. Is this the black truck?

12-27-2019, 06:57 PM	#3
Clyde65 1965 Chevy C10, 2005 4.8L/4l60 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 8,545	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 If the VIN 5th digit is 6, then it’s a 66 __________________ Clyde65 Rebuild of Clyde http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post8338184 69 Aristocrat Lo Liner build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post7561684 *support our troops!*

12-27-2019, 08:46 PM	#5
Lil Loafer Registered User Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Post Falls, ID Posts: 52	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 The emblem on the drivers side is a 66. My thought is that it is a early 66 produced part way through 65 and titled as such for whatever reason. __________________ 1966 c10 1937 Willys truck

12-27-2019, 09:23 PM	#6
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 I used to be a vehicle verifyer in CA. Find one. __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats? Last edited by The Rocknrod; 12-28-2019 at 07:57 AM.

12-27-2019, 10:22 PM	#7
rickywideglide Registered User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: mechanicsville,md Posts: 360	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 I believe instrument bezel was silver in 66 as well

12-27-2019, 11:25 PM	#8
oem4me Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 3,055	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 E brake set up is new for 66. Take a look at that. This truck may have been stashed in a barn for a long time, but from what I've seen, it's not quite the untouched "barn find" that gets our blood pumping. The truck has at some point been totally gone over. New paint inside and out, new upholstery, whole new engine, replaced bedwood, etc. My point is, even if a vehicle stays in a single family, that's no guarantee that all records remain intact/accurate and the vehicle itself remains exactly like it was built. Just sayin. Last edited by oem4me; 12-28-2019 at 02:16 AM.

12-28-2019, 12:25 AM	#9
LostMy65 But Found Her 25yrs Later! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Oregon City, Oregon Posts: 10,526	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 The dash color doesn't look right for a 65 or 66 __________________ I lost my 65 - Found it 25 years later: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=426650 66 C20 Service Truck: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=428035

12-28-2019, 12:28 AM	#10
LostMy65 But Found Her 25yrs Later! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Oregon City, Oregon Posts: 10,526	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 Also, does it have backup lights? I can't quite tell from this pic. __________________ I lost my 65 - Found it 25 years later: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=426650 66 C20 Service Truck: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=428035

12-28-2019, 10:14 AM	#11
60-66 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 3,328	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 The VIN has to match the frame. I doubt the spid is still there being that the dash was repainted. If its there and frame matches door jamb VIN , ask Yelmer to help you determine when the truck was built , meaning the month of production . With all that's been done to this truck a lot more investigating is needed. If original drivetrain is there , dates on all the castings will help also . If not ? __________________ IS IT an EATON or Chevrolet rear axle https://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/...d.php?t=843778 The hubcap thread http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=702839 WANTED : 1963-1966 6 Cylinder Fan Shroud WANTED :1964-1966 PANEL TRUCK

12-28-2019, 02:33 PM	#12
jocko Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Godley, TX Posts: 17,968	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 Is there a SPID? If yes, to me, that clinches it as a 66 (65s didn’t have them). If it doesn’t have a SPID, then it really doesn’t mean anything because it could have been removed during the repaint as pointed out above. With a repaint in its history, fender emblems don’t really matter, fenders get replaced all the time, regardless of what owners say. Bottom line, if VIN is a 66, it’s a 66, and was likely bought very early in the model year and the original DMV lady titled it as a “new” 65 in October or November 65. That is also likely why the original owner thought of it as a 65 - ie that’s when he bought it. Just because he is the original owner, it doesn’t mean that everything he says is gospel. Having said all that, am not surprised DMV said they cannot fix this. It might get fixed in a transaction, but not easily - would likely require the State Police and a new, non-sensical issued VIN, so I’d probably just leave it like it is.

12-28-2019, 07:38 PM	#13
63burban Chevy addict Join Date: May 2012 Location: Iron Ridge, WI Posts: 1,085	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 Could simply be a mis-print on the title or more likely the truck was in an accident at one time and repaired with 66 fenders and cowl extensions.

12-28-2019, 11:19 PM	#14
Clyde65 1965 Chevy C10, 2005 4.8L/4l60 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 8,545	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 New year model cars and trucks were started to be built around August of the year before, factory builds stopped around June of model year. __________________ Clyde65 Rebuild of Clyde http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post8338184 69 Aristocrat Lo Liner build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post7561684 *support our troops!*

12-29-2019, 02:20 PM	#16
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12-30-2019, 10:15 AM	#18
Clyde65 1965 Chevy C10, 2005 4.8L/4l60 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 8,545	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 There was a Hydromatic 400, with weird shift placements __________________ Clyde65 Rebuild of Clyde http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post8338184 69 Aristocrat Lo Liner build http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...84#post7561684 *support our troops!*



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12-30-2019, 10:30 AM	#19
PGSigns Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Hayes Va Posts: 4,569	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 I have seen some vehicles in the past that look like they were titled based off the MSO date of manufacture for what ever reason when they were sold. This may be one of them. Jimmy __________________ 60 to 66 Chevy and GMC window decals http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=661131 Good friends, good food and a hotrod what else do you need? 1966 BBW long fleet Daily driver 1965 BBW short fleet Sold and going to a good home 1965 Suburban 2003 3500 Duramax 2005 Ultra Classic

12-30-2019, 11:34 AM	#22
sstock Registered User Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Tacoma Wa Posts: 146	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 Fantastic condition, do a vid on the inside of the cab and engine/bed too. We love this stuff. Steve __________________ 1953 3100 261cu in, sm420, 3.55 torque tube, omaha orange 1964 GMC 1000 series,custom, 305E, sm420

12-30-2019, 11:44 AM	#23
GMCNUT Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Arab Alabama Posts: 1,809	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 in many states vehicles got titled as the year sold vs the actual year model. This is most likely a 66 truck titled as a 65 because it was bought in the Fall of 65 when the new 66's hit the lots. Not sure what difference it makes in the first place but if the DMV won't change it, then you'll just have to live with it __________________ My Projects and Toys - All 100% Stock 1972 CST "Highlander" Blazer - 350 auto, PS, PB, A/C, Tilt, Tach, AM/FM & Positraction 1966 Chevy SWB Fleetside BBW Custom Cab, #'s matching 327 V8 & Powerglide, factory deluxe heat, PS, PB, Tinted Glass, sway bar 1961 Chevy SWB Fleetside BBW Custom Cab #'s matching 283 V8 & Powerglide w/ uber-rare Cool-Pack A/C, factory PB, deluxe heat, Clock 1961 GMC K1000 4x4 SWB w/ BBW, Custom Cab and numbers matching 305D V6 engine & 4 spd 1960 GMC SWB Fleetside BBW Custom Cab #'s matching 305A V6 & Hydramatic, factory PB, Clock, Tach, Compass, Hood Jet 1959 Chevy SWB Fleetside BBW Custom Cab w/ rare stainless bed trim, #'s matching 283 V8 & Hydramatic, Deluxe Heat, radio, spotlight 1958 Chevy Cameo #'s matching 283 V8 & Hydramatic, radio, window washers, Factory PB 1958 GMC BBW SWB Fleetside Custom Cab, #'s matching 336 V8 Hydramatic, Factory PS, PB, Clock, RSD, Deluxe Heat & Hood Jet 1957 GMC Suburban Pickup (GMC's Cameo) #'s matching 347 V8 Hydramatic, uber-rare vacuum ashtray, Factory PS, PB, Clock, RSD, Hood Jet 1956 Chevy 3800 1 ton w/ rare 9 ft stepside bed, factory 265 V8 w/ Hydramatic, factory PB, Custom Cab, deluxe heat, spotlight and hood jet.

12-30-2019, 12:00 PM	#25
The Rocknrod Moderator Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: China Spring, TX Posts: 7,280	Re: Titles and reality. 1966 C10 The reason I said to find a vehicle verifyer is that he can fill out a form stating a VIN correction and the DMV will correct the VIN. I have done it. I also had a 40 Ford Coupe I owned that needed it done. Some car dealerships have a guy licensed as such. __________________ Master Chief, US Navy, Retired 1964 C10 Step-side Short Bed - In Progress 2009 2500HD Duramax LTZ 1948 GMC Panel 1956 Big Window Stepside 1953 5 Window Chevy Stepside 1932 Coupe New Seat Foam for Bench Seats?

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