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HOGDADDY · 12-21-2021, 10:00 PM

Anyone have any tips to get the horn working with this aftermarket steering wheel on my 86 Scottsdale? Thanks in advance.

**mongocanfly** · 12-22-2021, 09:03 AM

Did you contact their tech line?

HOGDADDY · 12-22-2021, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mongocanfly

Did you contact their tech line?

Yes no help.

**kwmech** · 12-22-2021, 12:22 PM

Tell them you're sending it back and want a full refund including your shipping it back to them

**mongocanfly** · 12-22-2021, 01:16 PM

Yeah..what kw said
..is there a horn button on the wheel? Or are you trying to ad one?
All a horn button does is completes the ground circuit to the horn..

**hatzie** · 12-22-2021, 01:35 PM

Actually it completes a ground to the coil on your horn relay.
If you ran the full amperage through the horn button it would burn it up.

HOGDADDY · 12-22-2021, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hatzie

Actually it completes a ground to the coil on your horn relay.
If you ran the full amperage through the horn button it would burn it up.

The horn relay coil looks fine I don't why I can't get the horn to work. I don't believe the new horn button is the issue.

**kwmech** · 12-22-2021, 09:03 PM

Try grounding the column with a jumper wire and see if that works

4u2nv · 12-22-2021, 09:17 PM

I used their horn replacement kit $10 on my 87 and all went well , you using their kit ???

HOGDADDY · 12-22-2021, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 4u2nv

I used their horn replacement kit $10 on my 87 and all went well , you using their kit ???

Yes it came with the new wheel. The horn was working before I removed column, repacked bearings, new switches etc..

I did soak shift tube in Evaporust and paint it but that shouldn't make any difference.
Screw it I can live w/o the horn til I can figure it out later.

layinrocker65 · 12-23-2021, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by HOGDADDY

The horn relay coil looks fine I don't why I can't get the horn to work. I don't believe the new horn button is the issue.

It’s pretty simple to diagnose and if you don’t believe the horn button is the issue, why are you eluding to forever sharp or their customer service being the issue?

HOGDADDY · 12-23-2021, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by layinrocker65

It’s pretty simple to diagnose and if you don’t believe the horn button is the issue, why are you eluding to forever sharp or their customer service being the issue?

Because the horn was working previously so I know the horns are fine so I assumed that was the problem. When I touch both wires together I get no sound as suggested by FS so definitely not the horn button... and the fuse is good.
What would you suggest I check first?

**TKCR** · 12-23-2021, 10:11 AM

I have the Forever Sharp wheel and horn button, all that stuff. Mine works. But that’s beside the point.
If it were me and I had this issue, I know it sounds like a lot of work, but I would take all that off and put the original parts back on and see if the horn starts working again. That’s just how I work out electrical issues, lol. I’m not the best electrical trouble shooter but it makes since to me, that if you put the old parts back on and the horn still doesn’t work, then it’s not the FS causing the issue. Something got knocked loose or cut. I know that’s not the best analogy of trouble shooting, but it’s what I would do. At least I would feel I would know what direction to go at this point.
There are also videos on changing the wheel out and it covers the horn. I watch them when I swapped mine out, because I had no clue what I was doing. So I rely on the videos to help me along on my truck.

HOGDADDY · 12-23-2021, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TKCR

I have the Forever Sharp wheel and horn button, all that stuff. Mine works. But that’s beside the point.
If it were me and I had this issue, I know it sounds like a lot of work, but I would take all that off and put the original parts back on and see if the horn starts working again. That’s just how I work out electrical issues, lol. I’m not the best electrical trouble shooter but it makes since to me, that if you put the old parts back on and the horn still doesn’t work, then it’s not the FS causing the issue. Something got knocked loose or cut. I know that’s not the best analogy of trouble shooting, but it’s what I would do. At least I would feel I would know what direction to go at this point.
There are also videos on changing the wheel out and it covers the horn. I watch them when I swapped mine out, because I had no clue what I was doing. So I rely on the videos to help me along on my truck.

I watched all the videos beforehand and after. I did everything right but something obviously is wrong.

Greenlee · 12-23-2021, 10:34 AM

Maybe check the stuff you painted and see if that created some kind of ground issue. I was pulling my hair out one time getting my tail lights working right after replacing the wood in a step side bed. It turned out that a simple ground strap from the frame to bed fixed all my problems. Somehow by replacing the wood I lost ground.

**mongocanfly** · 12-23-2021, 11:00 AM

Something somewhere, I'm assuming ,in the ground circuit isnt making contact ...if your fuse is good..
Might need to check the column plugs

**hatzie** · 12-23-2021, 11:57 AM

The Horn button depends on the body of the steering column to be grounded.
The horn relay gets battery voltage all the time.
The wire from the horn button makes contact with the grounded steering column body to ground the horn relay coil. This closes the horn relay contacts to make the horn wire from the relay to the engine bay hot. This blows the horn.

Try grounding the horn terminal on the Delphi Pak Con harmonica plug on your column.
If the horn blows then your problem is in the column.
If it doesn't blow then it's time to check the horn relay, fuse, and the wiring to the engine compartment.

Painting stuff that was originally bare metal could cause electrical issues.

HOGDADDY · 12-23-2021, 01:24 PM

OK I believe I have it figured out and will report back when I get a chance to correct it.

**TKCR** · 12-23-2021, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HOGDADDY

OK I believe I have it figured out and will report back when I get a chance to correct it.

Hopefully it was an easy fix

HOGDADDY · 01-13-2022, 07:02 PM

As promised here is the results. Firstly, I should have taken more pics on the teardown but somehow, I had installed the upper bearing in from the top when it went in the bottom side of collar.
I totally disassembled the steering column and repacked bearings. and as a bonus, installed a Borgeson intermediate steering shaft to boot.
Everything was right afterwards and yes, the horn works!

And as a bonus, installed a NEW Borgeson intermediate steering shaft to boot.

12-21-2021, 10:00 PM	#1
HOGDADDY Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 661	Forever Sharp Horn issues Anyone have any tips to get the horn working with this aftermarket steering wheel on my 86 Scottsdale? Thanks in advance.

12-22-2021, 09:03 AM	#2
mongocanfly Post Whore Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 14,670	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues Did you contact their tech line? __________________ Mongo...aka Greg RIP Dad RIP Jesse 1981 C30 LQ9 NV4500..http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=753598 Mongos AD- LS3 TR6060...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post8522334 Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...63#post8082563 2023 Chevy Z71..daily driver

12-22-2021, 12:22 PM	#4
kwmech Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colfax-California Posts: 8,628	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues Tell them you're sending it back and want a full refund including your shipping it back to them

12-22-2021, 01:16 PM	#5
mongocanfly Post Whore Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 14,670	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues Yeah..what kw said ..is there a horn button on the wheel? Or are you trying to ad one? All a horn button does is completes the ground circuit to the horn.. __________________ Mongo...aka Greg RIP Dad RIP Jesse 1981 C30 LQ9 NV4500..http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=753598 Mongos AD- LS3 TR6060...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post8522334 Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...63#post8082563 2023 Chevy Z71..daily driver

12-22-2021, 01:35 PM	#6
hatzie Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wentworth, NH Posts: 4,977	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues Actually it completes a ground to the coil on your horn relay. If you ran the full amperage through the horn button it would burn it up. __________________ 1959 M35A2 LDT465-1D SOLD 1967 Dodge W200 B383, NP420/NP201 SOLD 1969 Dodge Polara 500 B383, A833 SOLD 1972 Ford F250 FE390, NP435/NP205 SOLD 1976 Chevy K20, 6.5L, NV4500/NP208 SOLD 1986 M1008 CUCV SOLD 2000 GMC C2500, TD6.5L, NV4500 2005 Chevy Silverado LS 2500HD 6.0L 4L80E/NP263 2009 Impala SS LS4 V8 RTFM... GM Parts Books, GM Schematics, GM service manuals, and GM training materials... 1973-1991 GM Light Truck Service, Unit/Overhaul, Wiring Manuals, Parts Books and Some 1968-1999 GM Service Training textbooks in PDF 1988-1998 GMT400 CK service manual project 1988-1993 GMT400 CK parts books. 1967-1972 GM Light, Medium, & Heavy Truck Service Manuals in PDF Please include at least the year and model in your threads. It'll be easier to answer your questions. And please let us know if and how your repairs were successful.

12-22-2021, 09:03 PM	#8
kwmech Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colfax-California Posts: 8,628	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues Try grounding the column with a jumper wire and see if that works

12-22-2021, 09:17 PM	#9
4u2nv Registered User Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Ontario Peterborough Posts: 804	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues I used their horn replacement kit $10 on my 87 and all went well , you using their kit ???

12-23-2021, 10:11 AM	#13
TKCR Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,978	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues I have the Forever Sharp wheel and horn button, all that stuff. Mine works. But that’s beside the point. If it were me and I had this issue, I know it sounds like a lot of work, but I would take all that off and put the original parts back on and see if the horn starts working again. That’s just how I work out electrical issues, lol. I’m not the best electrical trouble shooter but it makes since to me, that if you put the old parts back on and the horn still doesn’t work, then it’s not the FS causing the issue. Something got knocked loose or cut. I know that’s not the best analogy of trouble shooting, but it’s what I would do. At least I would feel I would know what direction to go at this point. There are also videos on changing the wheel out and it covers the horn. I watch them when I swapped mine out, because I had no clue what I was doing. So I rely on the videos to help me along on my truck. __________________ FB Page for my Seats Belts https://www.facebook.com/73-87-Chevy...9439407476735/ Restoring Seatbelts: http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=809750 SOLD My 86 Build:http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=654972 Past Restored Bench Seats:http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=715398 PayPal link to pay for your items: https://www.paypal.me/TKCR

12-23-2021, 10:34 AM	#15
Greenlee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: El Lago, TX Posts: 1,668	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues Maybe check the stuff you painted and see if that created some kind of ground issue. I was pulling my hair out one time getting my tail lights working right after replacing the wood in a step side bed. It turned out that a simple ground strap from the frame to bed fixed all my problems. Somehow by replacing the wood I lost ground.

12-23-2021, 11:00 AM	#16
mongocanfly Post Whore Join Date: May 2015 Location: Alabama Posts: 14,670	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues Something somewhere, I'm assuming ,in the ground circuit isnt making contact ...if your fuse is good.. Might need to check the column plugs __________________ Mongo...aka Greg RIP Dad RIP Jesse 1981 C30 LQ9 NV4500..http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...d.php?t=753598 Mongos AD- LS3 TR6060...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...34#post8522334 Columbus..the 1957 IH 4x4...http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/s...63#post8082563 2023 Chevy Z71..daily driver

12-23-2021, 11:57 AM	#17
hatzie Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wentworth, NH Posts: 4,977	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues The Horn button depends on the body of the steering column to be grounded. The horn relay gets battery voltage all the time. The wire from the horn button makes contact with the grounded steering column body to ground the horn relay coil. This closes the horn relay contacts to make the horn wire from the relay to the engine bay hot. This blows the horn. Try grounding the horn terminal on the Delphi Pak Con harmonica plug on your column. If the horn blows then your problem is in the column. If it doesn't blow then it's time to check the horn relay, fuse, and the wiring to the engine compartment. Painting stuff that was originally bare metal could cause electrical issues. __________________ 1959 M35A2 LDT465-1D SOLD 1967 Dodge W200 B383, NP420/NP201 SOLD 1969 Dodge Polara 500 B383, A833 SOLD 1972 Ford F250 FE390, NP435/NP205 SOLD 1976 Chevy K20, 6.5L, NV4500/NP208 SOLD 1986 M1008 CUCV SOLD 2000 GMC C2500, TD6.5L, NV4500 2005 Chevy Silverado LS 2500HD 6.0L 4L80E/NP263 2009 Impala SS LS4 V8 RTFM... GM Parts Books, GM Schematics, GM service manuals, and GM training materials... 1973-1991 GM Light Truck Service, Unit/Overhaul, Wiring Manuals, Parts Books and Some 1968-1999 GM Service Training textbooks in PDF 1988-1998 GMT400 CK service manual project 1988-1993 GMT400 CK parts books. 1967-1972 GM Light, Medium, & Heavy Truck Service Manuals in PDF Please include at least the year and model in your threads. It'll be easier to answer your questions. And please let us know if and how your repairs were successful.

12-23-2021, 01:24 PM	#18
HOGDADDY Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 661	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues OK I believe I have it figured out and will report back when I get a chance to correct it.

01-13-2022, 07:02 PM	#20
HOGDADDY Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 661	Re: Forever Sharp Horn issues As promised here is the results. Firstly, I should have taken more pics on the teardown but somehow, I had installed the upper bearing in from the top when it went in the bottom side of collar. I totally disassembled the steering column and repacked bearings. and as a bonus, installed a Borgeson intermediate steering shaft to boot. Everything was right afterwards and yes, the horn works! And as a bonus, installed a NEW Borgeson intermediate steering shaft to boot.



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